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A new opportunity
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Author:  Taskiss [ Wed Nov 03, 2010 3:46 pm ]
Post subject:  A new opportunity
So, a new opportunity fell in my lap.

I didn't look to apply for a new position, I was, in fact, minding my own business and when I was approached I thought I blew the recruiter off by quoting a rate that I didn't think would be accepted (better they tell me no than me tell them no). I did the interview with no expectation and there wasn't a technical interview (they read my resume for that). I did this as a lark. I do interviews whenever I can just to keep in practice...I have done as many as 10 a year, some years. Not so many this last year... just one other.

The people I work with are the best ever, so I wasn't looking to leave. The work I do... well, it sucks, mostly. Just no challenge to it. I've had the perfect contract and others will never match that experience and I'm OK with that. It's not a strain, I work from home, and the pay ... well, I refuse overtime 'cause I don't need the money, even though I put in more than 40 a week. I'm not "growing", but I'm taking a class for a DBA cert, so it's all good. I get my fix.

They want me to sign tomorrow and all I can think about is leaving the folks I work with. I really don't want them to feel like I've abandoned them. And, I'd have to wear a suit and tie every day and drive 30 minutes one way. Those are the only "down side" things I can think of.

BUT... It's an offer I can't refuse. I do what I do for money, not to make friends. I'd honestly been just fine had this not come my way. Oh well, I'm not complaining, nothing to complain about at all. I'm just thinking "out loud", so to speak. Getting the idea in front of me so I can look at it. I have to decide by 4:00 PM tomorrow.
Author:  Lenas [ Wed Nov 03, 2010 3:47 pm ]
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Congratulations on your comfy future, buddy. There's a reason you said the offer was too good to refuse. Mind is made up :p
Author:  Khross [ Wed Nov 03, 2010 3:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A new opportunity
What kind of premium do you put on working with good people in an environment you like?
Author:  Taskiss [ Wed Nov 03, 2010 3:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A new opportunity
Khross wrote:
What kind of premium do you put on working with good people in an environment you like?

A whole lot. Not 18% though.
Author:  Khross [ Wed Nov 03, 2010 4:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A new opportunity
So, have you run the fundamentals on the new business? What's their longterm stability like? Profit? Employee retention? Turnover rate? Workload? These are all important things. The fact that you've less than 24 hours to give an answer seems suspect.
Author:  Aizle [ Wed Nov 03, 2010 7:47 pm ]
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Definately not something to consider lightly, and might be worth talking with your current employer to see if they will match to keep you there. Or come close.
Author:  Lex Luthor [ Wed Nov 03, 2010 8:25 pm ]
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Today a job hunter called me on my work phone to recruit me. It was pretty random.
Author:  Lonedar [ Wed Nov 03, 2010 8:56 pm ]
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Aizle wrote:
Definately not something to consider lightly, and might be worth talking with your current employer to see if they will match to keep you there. Or come close.


Taskiss...try this and then let me know if it works.
Author:  Lex Luthor [ Wed Nov 03, 2010 9:46 pm ]
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Aizle wrote:
Definitely


FTFY

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It's so funny how you're 30+ years old and can't spell one of the most common words.
Author:  Rorinthas [ Wed Nov 03, 2010 9:49 pm ]
Post subject:  A new opportunity
Aizle wrote:
Definately not something to consider lightly, and might be worth talking with your current employer to see if they will match to keep you there. Or come close.

There are reports out there saying you should not ever do this. I'm tired and I don't have the time to look it up, but there have been studies done that suggest that employees who take retention offers are usually dumped by their employers when it's convenient. The logic is the employer realizes the employee is unhappy and will usually only keep such an employee a short time.

Back to the OT. I am not sure about it. If your ultimate goal is to do something with your DBA cert, will taking this job help or hinder that.
Author:  Sam [ Thu Nov 04, 2010 1:48 am ]
Post subject:  Re: A new opportunity
Rorinthas wrote:
Aizle wrote:
Definately not something to consider lightly, and might be worth talking with your current employer to see if they will match to keep you there. Or come close.

There are reports out there saying you should not ever do this. I'm tired and I don't have the time to look it up, but there have been studies done that suggest that employees who take retention offers are usually dumped by their employers when it's convenient. The logic is the employer realizes the employee is unhappy and will usually only keep such an employee a short time.

Back to the OT. I am not sure about it. If your ultimate goal is to do something with your DBA cert, will taking this job help or hinder that.


Perhaps, but I don't think he's much to lose if he's seriously considering leaving anyways. In all honesty, I would think his current employer would be thankful he gave a heads up if it would save them from hiring another person to fill his role. They may decide it worth the extra pay to keep him, or at least a middle ground. Losing a good employee and having to hire someone to fill the spot cost the company a lot more than is often noticed. For me, unless I direly needed the extra cash......comfort > 18% all day long.
Author:  Taskiss [ Thu Nov 04, 2010 10:02 am ]
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I'm not one to bargain for my services. In my opinion, if my present contracting firm wanted to keep me they would have already increased my pay. My negotiating technique is to quote a hourly rate and stick to it... I've only once had to take a job when I was unemployed and then I was at their mercy, otherwise they can meet my rate or I don't take the gig.

Then too, the contracting firm is different than the company I work for... they really don't have anything to do with me after putting me into a job except collect my timecard. The company I work at would be happy to keep me. I worked for them from 2006 to 2007, left for a year (for a big raise), then came back (another big raise) to the very same desk, job and manager in 2009 'till now.

It's not personal, it's business. :D (I love when I get a chance to tell a company that!)

As for the DBA cert, I'll keep that up, it's a hobby of mine (expanding my resume), not a job requirement. I just want as broad a resume as possible. I've had work as a DBA already (as part of the job, not a full time gig) but I had noticed during the market lull in 2002 that dba jobs were still being advertised for, so I want to keep my skills up, and I always want some recent line items under the "education and certification" section of my resume.
Author:  Lalaas [ Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:02 am ]
Post subject:  Re: A new opportunity
Rorinthas wrote:
There are reports out there saying you should not ever do this. I'm tired and I don't have the time to look it up, but there have been studies done that suggest that employees who take retention offers are usually dumped by their employers when it's convenient. The logic is the employer realizes the employee is unhappy and will usually only keep such an employee a short time.


There's also a trend that employees who stay after a retention offer usually only stay for <1 year. Most of the time, it's not just the money that's causing unrest, but there are a lot of cases where an employee says "why wasn't I this valuable to you before I was this valuable to someone else?" In that case, they usually leave.
Author:  Aizle [ Thu Nov 04, 2010 1:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Re:
Lex Luthor wrote:
It's so funny how you're 30+ years old and can't spell one of the most common words.


And it's so funny that you're 20+ years old and still behave like you're 12. Your point?
Author:  Lex Luthor [ Thu Nov 04, 2010 2:04 pm ]
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I just wanted you to know so you don't look ignorant through work emails or something.
Author:  Lenas [ Thu Nov 04, 2010 2:28 pm ]
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LOL, "looking out for you" is hardly a good excuse for being a jerk. Worrying about Aizle's image isn't even anything you should be concerned with, when you're one of the most inconsistent posters here.
Author:  Midgen [ Thu Nov 04, 2010 3:12 pm ]
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Not to mention, if you were really interested in Aizle's image, you wouldn't be calling him out for his spelling in public, but might send him a friendly PM or something...
Author:  Diamondeye [ Thu Nov 04, 2010 3:38 pm ]
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Lex Luthor wrote:
I just wanted you to know so you don't look ignorant through work emails or something.


Lots of people have one or two words they can never remember how to spell. I don't think you need to be concerned with Aizle's reputation at his workplace.
Author:  Vindicarre [ Thu Nov 04, 2010 4:26 pm ]
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Lex Luthor wrote:
I just wanted you to know so you don't look ignorant through work emails or something.


I'm sure that Aizle is more concerned with spelling and grammar with official business than he is here at the Glade. Don't worry yourself; he's 30+ years old - he's proven he can take care of himself in that regard.
Author:  Taskiss [ Thu Nov 04, 2010 7:30 pm ]
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I took it. No big surprise, I suppose. I'll tell the folks at work on Monday. I start on the 22nd.
Author:  Jasmy [ Thu Nov 04, 2010 10:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A new opportunity
Congrats and good luck Taskiss!
Author:  Xerxes [ Fri Nov 05, 2010 5:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: A new opportunity
Congratulations and good luck Taskiss!
Author:  Taskiss [ Fri Nov 05, 2010 5:27 am ]
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Thanks!
Author:  Rynar [ Fri Nov 05, 2010 8:30 am ]
Post subject:  Re: A new opportunity
The interviewing to stay fresh is one of the best ideas I've ever heard. I'm going to start doing this immediatly. Congrats, Taskiss.
Author:  Taskiss [ Fri Nov 05, 2010 9:10 am ]
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Thanks Rynar!

Yes, it just amazes me that because people hate to do interviews they try to avoid it. It's so important, I'd put it as the #1 skill to have sharp at all times. To get ahead ... to earn more than the 3-5% companies give their good performers, you need to move every 3 years or so.

I'm very good at it, but I felt out of practice when I started the interview... but quickly fell back into the groove. There is a lot of competition for jobs these days and the difference between working and not all hinges on getting and acing the interview. The guy that comes in #2 doesn't get a consolation prize.

When times are good, I purposefully take short term contracts... 3-6 month gigs. You can charge much more (I charge double) for those than long term contracts, and if you can minimize down-time, you can make a killing. If that's your thing, you gotta ace the interview.
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