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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:07 pm 
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http://healthland.time.com/2011/04/08/l ... in/?hpt=T2

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The differences between liberals and conservatives run wide and deep, and a new study suggests they may even be reflected in the very structure of their brains.

In the study, led by Ryota Kanai of the University College London, people who identified themselves as liberals generally had a larger anterior cingulate cortex — a comma-shaped region near the front of the brain that is involved in decision-making. By contrast, those who identified as conservatives had larger amygdalas — almond-shaped structures that are linked with emotional learning and the processing of fear. (More on TIME.com: In Politics, It's Survival of the Fittest, Literally)

These structural differences, the authors suggest, support previous reports of differences in personality: liberals tend to be better at managing conflicting information, while conservatives are though to be better at recognizing threats, researchers said. "Previously, some psychological traits were known to be predictive of an individual's political orientation," said Kanai in a press release. "Our study now links such personality traits with specific brain structure."

For the study, Kanai and his colleagues asked 90 young adults to rank their political views on a five-point scale from very liberal to very conservative. Then, the volunteers underwent structural MRI scans, which revealed "substantial differences" in brain structure. (More on TIME.com: The Politics of Perceiving Skin Color)

This is not the first attempt to locate the biological roots of party affiliation. In an October 2010 study, researchers from the University of California, San Diego, and Harvard University identified a "liberal gene" — a variant called DRD4-7R, which affects the neurotransmitter dopamine — that has been linked with a personality type driven to seek out new experiences.

Another study from the University of Nebraska found that liberals and conservatives had different reactions to "gaze cues" — whether they tended to look in the same direction as a face on their computer screen. Liberals were more likely than conservatives to follow another person's gaze, suggesting that people who lean right value autonomy more; alternative explanations suggest that liberals might be more empathetic, or that conservatives are less trusting of others. (More on Time.com: Is There Any Biology Behind Our Political Affiliations?)

The theories are best guesses. And Kanai qualifies the findings of his own study, acknowledging that political orientation is complex, and can fall into more than just two categories. In addition, the study doesn't answer whether brain structure influences political preferences or vice versa: it's possible that the shape of the brain changes over time with a person's experiences — and with his or her changing political views.

So, despite increasing evidence suggesting biological differences between liberals and conservatives, Kanai warns against reading too much into the findings. "It's very unlikely that actual political orientation is directly encoded in these brain regions," he said. "More work is needed to determine how these brain structures mediate the formation of political attitude." (More on TIME.com: Why We Form Societies: It's Our Big Babies)

The study is published in the April 7 issue of Current Biology.



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liberals tend to be better at managing conflicting information


Liberals engage in a lot more doublethink than conservatives. For example they decry the Patriot act but at the same time invite the government into many aspects of their lives.


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liberals tend to be better at managing conflicting information


Liberals engage in a lot more doublethink than conservatives. For example they decry the Patriot act but at the same time invite the government into many aspects of their lives.


Since conservatives stereotypically do the exact opposite (more money for DHS, pro Patriot Act, blue laws, keep drugs and prostitution banned while being for lower taxes/spending, no gun control, etc.) I don't see how you can say there's much of a difference in the doublethink.

IMHO, this article is BS and it's all about self-interest. Young people are liberal because they have little to nothing and would like others to give them things. Older people are conservative because they've amassed a bunch of wealth and want as little as possible siphoned off. Older people don't want to do drugs or get drunk recreationally, so they favor laws that mean they don't have to deal with other people doing so. Younger people don't like "security" type laws and policies because they feel invincible and they're the ones who will be called on to arm themselves. This pretty much extends to everything.


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Young people are liberal because they have little to nothing and would like others to give them things.


WTF???


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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
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Young people are liberal because they have little to nothing and would like others to give them things.


WTF???

"If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain." - not Churchill

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I was thinking of that quote, Hopwin. Some variant of it is usually misattributed to Winston Churchill. The actual quote is from French historian François Guizot:

"N'être pas républicain à vingt ans est preuve d'un manque de cœur ; l'être après trente ans est preuve d'un manque de tête."

Not to be a republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head.

Obviously "Republican" had a different connotation in that place and time.

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Yes, but that has nothing to do with wanting people to give them stuff. Those quotes speak to idealism, not selfishness.


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I think a more accurate statement would be, "If you're not an idealist when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a realist when you're 35, you have no brain." Maturity doesn't make you more liberal or conservative; it just makes you more practical.


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RangerDave wrote:
I think a more accurate statement would be, "If you're not an idealist when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a realist when you're 35, you have no brain." Maturity doesn't make you more liberal or conservative; it just makes you more practical.


I think as an average, present day "liberalism" and "conservatism" are both idealistic, not realistic. There is certainly a realistic approach, but I think it lends itself to libertarian-like (note the small "L" - hardcore Libertarianism is as idealistic as anything else) positions with an emphasis on fiscal responsibility and social liberty.

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Conservatives who care a ton about banning abortion (making it "murder"), taking evolution out of schools, massively cutting government programs, etc. fall into the non-realistic camp in my opinion.


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