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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 10:53 am 
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http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/35/3577.asp

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Federal Court: Traffic Stop Does Not Justify Home Entry
Tenth Circuit US Court of Appeals rules a police officer cannot enter a home over a minor traffic violation.

A police officer has no right to pursue a minor traffic stop into a home, according to a ruling handed down Wednesday by the US Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit. A three-judge panel considered what happened after police in Sulphur, Oklahoma saw a suspect allegedly driving with faulty taillights on July 23, 2007.

Murray County Deputy Sheriff Craig A. Billings signaled seventeen-year-old Joshua Burchett, who was driving the car, to pull over. Burchett continued on for two blocks, parked in the driveway of his parents' three-bedroom home, ran inside and hid in the bathroom. Billings called for backup and Sulphur Police Officers Steve Watkins and Tony Simpson arrived at the scene.

Billings began kicking the door, which woke the parents, Jose and Christina Mascorro. Jose Mascorro opened the door and Billings pointed a gun at his head, yelling, "On your knees [expletive]. Where is he? Where is he?" When Christina Mascorro asked whether Billings had a warrant, she was blasted in the mouth with pepper spray. Billings then sprayed the other residents, including Mascorro's 14-year-old son. Christina Mascorro retreated to a back bedroom and called 911. Officer Watkins pulled her outside while Deputy Billings kicked in the door to the bathroom, gun drawn, to retrieve Burchett.

Jose and Christina Mascorro, after being treated at the hospital, were arrested and charged with obstructing a police officer in the performance of his duty. The district court judge described the state of their home as "ransacked" after the officers left. The Mascorros sued, claiming the officers made an illegal entry, used excessive force and made a false arrest. The law enforcement officers moved to dismiss the case based on their qualified immunity from prosecution. They argued that their actions were justified because they had been in "hot pursuit" of a fleeing suspect.

The appeals court considered US Supreme Court precedent on the question to determine whether "exigent circumstances" authorized their entry into a home without a warrant. They found only felony cases allowed such entry in extreme cases.

"We do not find the circumstances here amount to the kind of exigency excusing an officer from obtaining a warrant before entering a home," Judge Terrence L. O'Brien wrote for the court. "The intended arrest was for a traffic misdemeanor committed by a minor, with whom the officer was well acquainted, who had fled into his family home from which there was only one exit. The risk of flight or escape was somewhere between low and nonexistent. Moreover, there was no evidence which could have potentially been destroyed and there were no officer or public safety concerns."

Police officers lose their qualified immunity if their on-duty actions violated a constitutional right. The panel found these officers could be sued because they violated the Fourth Amendment protection against unreasonable searches and seizures.

"No reasonable officer would have thought pursuit of a minor for a mere misdemeanor traffic offense constituted the sort of exigency permitting entry into a home without a warrant," O'Brien concluded.

A copy of the decision is available in a 50k PDF file at the source link below.


So I guess the police should have waited around, gotten a warrant, and then pursued him into the home? That's a pretty interesting tactic to try to escape the police.


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Yeah, I'm thinking pepper spray in the mouth and drawn guns + ransacked house is a bit of overkill for faulty taillights.

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1- Don't run from the gorram cops.
2- Those cops all need to be **** fired.
3- see # 1.
4- Cops should not get qualified immunity by default. Let it go o court and have a judge and jury rule if it is a legitimate issue.

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Is fleeing the police a felony?

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Hopwin wrote:
Is fleeing the police a felony?


I don't believe so, just a misdemeanor in most or all states.


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Lex Luthor wrote:
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Is fleeing the police a felony?


I don't believe so, just a misdemeanor in most or all states.

Your reference material of choice would seem to dictate otherwise:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_fleeing_a_ ... r_a_felony

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Hopwin wrote:
Lex Luthor wrote:
Hopwin wrote:
Is fleeing the police a felony?


I don't believe so, just a misdemeanor in most or all states.

Your reference material of choice would seem to dictate otherwise:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_fleeing_a_ ... r_a_felony


Yeah, seems I was wrong. From some very fast 30 second searching it looks like a felony.


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This is (assuming it stands) just a fairly reasonable change to the appropriate case law. Before, the doctrine of Hot Pursuit made no distinction based on the severity of the original offense for which one had probable cause. Now, at least, assuming this stands and within the jurisdiction of this Circuit, minor traffic violations will no longer permit hot pursuit into a home.

On the face of it, it's a quite reasonable decision. It's not likely to result in a severe increase in the number of fleeing minor violators because most minor violators are not interested in facing a charge of fleeing form police, nor in having them go get a warrant and come extract them.

Where there is a possible drawback is in increasing flights by people who have something else going on, such as an outstanding warrant or are drunk, or something like that. If the police know that's going on already, they'll still be justified in pursuit into the home, but if the subject thinks they do not know, it may encourage him to flee on the chance he can get into the house before they find out - especially if he doesn't fully understand how the law works, or his judgement is impaired.

Still, that's a minor risk, and I'd say the decision is reasonable.

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I think it's a good call. That said, so was hiding in the bathroom long enough to flush the stash.


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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
I think it's a good call. That said, so was hiding in the bathroom long enough to flush the stash.


This is what I was thinking...kid wouldn't have fled if it truly was a minor traffic violation. There had to have been something else, like carrying around drugs in his pocket or something.
That being said, from just the info in the article, I'd say that the cops way over-used force...no reason to pepper-spray the parents for asking if they had a warrant. Once that kid entered the residence, they lost any opportunity to catch him with anything that he only needed 30 seconds to flush...also, according to the article, the officers were "well-acquainted" with the family so there wasn't a danger of the suspect getting away with the traffic violation.

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Yes but that's assuming guilt for something that there may be zero proof for. Maybe he fled cause he was in drag and didn't want to get caught. Maybe he had a panic attack. Maybe maybe maybe.... For all the bad reasons he could have run, there are as many reasons that were non criminal.

Yes don't run from the gorram cops. And if its a traffic stop, mail him the gorram ticket instead of busting into a house over a taillight deputy dawg

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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
I think it's a good call. That said, so was hiding in the bathroom long enough to flush the stash.


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