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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 12:20 pm 
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Useful one-stop-shopping review (with plenty of links to supporting articles) of the question whether Fanny, Freddy and the CRA caused and/or significantly contributed to the financial collapse. Far too long to usefully excerpt, but here's the punchline:

Fannie and Freddie played at best a marginal role in the crisis, largely by belatedly following the private sector's reckless innovations in the sub-prime market, from 2006 onwards. They are not beyond criticism, but Bloomberg's off-the-cuff remarks are baseless.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 12:21 pm 
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When I read it I thought of one thing - Andrew Sullivan has never heard of a moral hazard.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 12:35 pm 
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I think this quote from Sullivan's piece illustrates the opposite of Sullivan's conclusions stated less than a paragraph later (and highlights Elmo's point):
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I have been originating loans for private lenders since 2003. More than 95% of all of my loans have ultimately been insured by Fannie or Freddie. So I have had a front-row seat as to how they have operated over the years. The Media Matters piece misses the mark. Here is an excerpt of your "money quote":

[Bloomberg] claims Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac 'made a bunch of loans' even though they (1) do not make loans, and (2) were backing out of insuring subprime loans as private, unregulated firms rushed into the derivatives casino.

While it is true the GSEs do not make loans, they establish the underwriting rules. Lenders underwrite to these standards. This is an important point that is glossed over. From 2003 until 2008, the GSEs relaxed their underwriting standards. They increased acceptable debt-to-income ratios, reduced minimum down payments and credit scores, and almost eliminated the need for documentation for some loans. By 2007, the GSEs were insuring "alt-A" loans, or loans with low- or no-documentation, but with average to above-average credit scores. They were NOT backing out of insuring subprime loans. Just the opposite was occurring - they were backing in, as they watched their market shares slip.


If an entity is told by the Gov't what rules to make, and they do so, then they insure the vast majority of the loans (with Federal backing) what incentive is there to do other than follow those rules? The Gov't essentially made the rules and insured the results what's the worry for me?

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Stop this thread now.

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Khross wrote:
Stop this thread now.


Yeah, like that ever works.

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Mookhow wrote:
Khross wrote:
Stop this thread now.
Yeah, like that ever works.
I can hope, right?

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You forgot the part where the government called bankers racist.

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Khross wrote:
Mookhow wrote:
Khross wrote:
Stop this thread now.
Yeah, like that ever works.
I can hope, right?

See that light at the end of the tunnel? It's a train heading your way.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 1:26 am 
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-2% GDP or whatever it was is not collapse. Anyone who uses that term is exaggerating for attention.


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