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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:45 am 
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The point of my asking questions is just that - to ask the question. The term "risky sex" came up, but how many people actually think about what that phrase means vs. what it implies? Risky sex quite literally means sex which carries a risk, but it implies dozens of gay men on a coke binge having a massive *** orgy. Now, all sex carries some risk. Hell, you can pull a muscle masturbating. Meanwhile, the notion that STDs are only caught in coked-up gay anal orgies is preposterous.

Clearly, "risky sex" is not so all-encompassing as "any sexually stimulating activity" but it is nowhere near so restrictive as "coked-up man pile." It's somewhere in the middle. Where? That ambiguity makes the phrase useless.

The speaker or writer's tone will shade audience perception more or less toward the man pile end of the spectrum, depending on what they're trying to convince their audience of. This will lead me, the audience, to get the impression that AIDS is something that happens to "those people." That's when I've got a problem. Now I can't recognize the risk I face myself.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:53 am 
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The point of my asking questions is just that - to ask the question. The term "risky sex" came up, but how many people actually think about what that phrase means vs. what it implies? Risky sex quite literally means sex which carries a risk, but it implies dozens of gay men on a coke binge having a massive *** orgy. Now, all sex carries some risk. Hell, you can pull a muscle masturbating. Meanwhile, the notion that STDs are only caught in coked-up gay anal orgies is preposterous.

Clearly, "risky sex" is not so all-encompassing as "any sexually stimulating activity" but it is nowhere near so restrictive as "coked-up man pile." It's somewhere in the middle. Where? That ambiguity makes the phrase useless.

The speaker or writer's tone will shade audience perception more or less toward the man pile end of the spectrum, depending on what they're trying to convince their audience of. This will lead me, the audience, to get the impression that AIDS is something that happens to "those people." That's when I've got a problem. Now I can't recognize the risk I face myself.


Well, yeah, but there's the thing... I introduced that particular phrasing into the thread, and at the same time immediatly qualified it.

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Is that anything the federal government would/could have done would have been accompanied by a wide scale quarentine at worst, and at best an edict not to engage in incredibly risky behavior (ie. don't let some dude plug you in the ***, and don't use IV drugs), both of which would have been considered, and rightly so, discrimination.


This conversation is dealing in defined specifics, and that was intentional. I'm not interested in castigating Molly-Home-Maker who got choked out by the Ninja she hadn't realized sneaked into her marital bed chamber.

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You only qualified the phrase insofar as to enable you to make that claim in an internet argument. Which is to say, you've made a token attempt that leaves the term very vague, and mostly defined as: "Well, we all know what it means."

The problem with STDs is that "we all" don't know what the phrase means. In fact, a large portion of people who engage in "risky sexual activity" think they are engaging in safe sex.

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Corolinth wrote:
You only qualified the phrase insofar as to enable you to make that claim in an internet argument. Which is to say, you've made a token attempt that leaves the term very vague, and mostly defined as: "Well, we all know what it means."

The problem with STDs is that "we all" don't know what the phrase means. In fact, a large portion of people who engage in "risky sexual activity" think they are engaging in safe sex.

A large portion of people think they are having safe sex in the late 70's-mid 80's, in this very thread, yet are busy doing IV drugs while getting plugged in the *** by multiple random partners? I thought I knew you guys. Also, where did you get the weird sex-time machines? Was there a Dr. Who episode I missed somewhere? TARDIS? TARDIS?!?!?!?

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All sex with a partner (protected or not, straight or gay) who does not provide immediate certification of being tested for all STDs and cleared within the past 24 hours is risky in terms of STD transmission.

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On this topic hindsight is always 20/20. I remember when the scare first started, there was a lot of ignorance on transmission of the disease. But even look at the statistics today, the ignorant and the uninformed are still catching aids. As with any unknown you should cut down this many variables as possible to minimize your risk.

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"Risky sex" does not, in any way, imply condom-less ass-pounding orgies. Any sex with any amount of risk, moreover, is not "risky sex", unless you're just dead set on being a semantic pedant. "Risky sex" means and implies sex where the risk accepted is disproportionately high in relation to the means available to mitigate that risk. Teenagers having sex without a condom is risky sex, using a condom is not, even though straight sex without a condom is not in the same category as orgies of risk, nor is straight sex with a condom entirely risk-free. The reason is that using a condom is easy and cheap, but vastly reduces risk even if it is not totally foolproof.

As to AIDS.. it's amusing that we can hear about how people think of it as a "faggot disease" and yet, in the same breath, hear about how prejudice against gays limited research into treatments for it. Is it a gay disease, or not?

The answer is that, at least back in the era the author is talking about, it was a gay disease. Not in the way that **** like Jerry Falwell claim, but in the sense that it was primarily prevalent among the gay population and gay anal sex spread it very, very easily. In that sense it's a "gay disease" just like breast cancer is a female disease even though men can get it. Prostate cancer is a male disease, receives far less attention than breast cancer, and yet is more likely to kill men than breast cancer is to kill women. Despite the supposed privileges males receive, this persists.

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People with prostate cancer generally encounter significant disparities in awareness, funding, media coverage, and research—and therefore, inferior treatment and poorer outcomes—compared to other cancers of equal prevalence.[148] In 2001, The Guardian noted that Britain had 3,000 nurses specializing in breast cancer, compared to only one for prostate cancer. It also discovered that the waiting time between referral and diagnosis was two weeks for breast cancer but three months for prostate cancer.[149] A 2007 report by the U.S.-based National Prostate Cancer Coalition stated that for every prostate cancer drug on the market, there were seven used to treat breast cancer. The Times also noted an "anti-male bias in cancer funding" with a four to one discrepancy in the United Kingdom by both the government and by cancer charities such as Cancer Research UK.[148][150] Equality campaigners such as author Warren Farrell cite such stark spending inequalities as a clear example of governments unfairly favouring women's health over men's health.[151]

Disparities also extend into areas such as detection, with governments failing to fund or mandate prostate cancer screening while fully supporting breast cancer programs. For example, a 2007 report found 49 U.S. states mandate insurance coverage for routine breast cancer screening, compared to 28 for prostate cancer.[148][152] Prostate cancer also experiences significantly less media coverage than other, equally prevalent cancers, with a study by Prostate Coalition showing 2.6 breast cancer stories for each one covering cancer of the prostate.[148]

Prostate Cancer Awareness Month takes place in September in a number of countries. A light blue ribbon is used to promote the cause.[153][154]


So yes, prejudice against gays did probably hurt government attention to the disease in the '80's, but the fact is that AIDS is not some airborne pathogen wiping out populations in hours, nor does it create zombies. There was no reason the government should have paid special attention to it once it was determined how easily it could be blocked from transmission.

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