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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:24 pm 
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Xequecal wrote:
I'm with you on everything except that part. I thought the whole point of the Roth IRA was that the gains were tax free. Now you're saying that they're not? If this is true, what's the point of the Roth IRA? A regular IRA lets you put in pre-tax money in and then taxes everything when you take it out. According to this, the Roth taxes the principle before you put it in and then taxes the gains when you take them out, which makes the Roth a strictly worse option in every conceivable way.

It doesn't tax the gains. It considers your withdrawals income. Which gets taxed.

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The gains are taxed before they officially become yours, Xequecal. It's all fun stuff.

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Kaffis Mark V wrote:
It doesn't tax the gains. It considers your withdrawals income. Which gets taxed.


Yes, so what is the point of ever doing a Roth IRA? A regular IRA lets you put pre-tax money in and then taxes the withdrawals as income. Now you're saying a Roth also does this. That means with a Roth you put post-tax money in and then whatever you withdraw is taxed as income. That's strictly worse in every conceivable way and there would be no reason to ever have a Roth IRA if this was the case.


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Xequecal wrote:
Kaffis Mark V wrote:
It doesn't tax the gains. It considers your withdrawals income. Which gets taxed.


Yes, so what is the point of ever doing a Roth IRA? A regular IRA lets you put pre-tax money in and then taxes the withdrawals as income. Now you're saying a Roth also does this. That means with a Roth you put post-tax money in and then whatever you withdraw is taxed as income. That's strictly worse in every conceivable way and there would be no reason to ever have a Roth IRA if this was the case.

If you think the current tax levels are lower than when you begin withdrawing.

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