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http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/BillText130/130_HB_59_EN_N.html

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(B) "Fetus" means the human offspring developing during pregnancy from the moment of conception and includes the embryonic stage of development.


http://itsnotjustakin.com/john-kasich/

http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/ ... ive-rights



http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf ... ld_be.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/pos ... -into-law/


The bill itself is fairly wordy & obfuscating, so I threw in some interpretation, but the bill is there....

I stand corrected (sorry for the delay, the law wouldn't open on my phone). This law definitely goes way too far and I consider myself extremely pro-life.

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A Chicago judge has issued a controversial decision to reduce a fine handed down by state health department officials to an Illinois abortion clinic for violations of cleanliness and health codes. The judge reduced the massive $36,000 fine to a mere $77.

Cook County Circuit Judge Alexander White arbitrarily reduced the fine after the Illinois Department of Health (IDPH) conducted a health inspection of the state's abortion providers in 2011. The issuance of the fine was immediately disputed and has been coursing through the courts ever since.

The IDPH cited the clinic for such violations as storing food items in the same freezer that contained containers of fetal tissue, filthy floors, medication dispensing cups filled with crumbs of medication, recovery rooms with rusted walls, and other filthy conditions. The IDPH report also noted that one employee was re-using discarded paper towels on patients.

Worse, the IDPH charged the clinic for failing to perform CPR on a patient who soon died in its care.

Judge White based his reduction of the fine on the claim that the owner of the clinic closed the facilities down and had only $77 left in the company bank account.

However, theclaim that the clinic was shuttered is suspect.

The operator of the cited clinic informed the state that the clinic was closed in November of 2011, but it was soon discovered that only weeks later owner Larisa Rozansky opened a "new" clinic in the same facilities – even using the same website to advertise – without addressing the state's health code violations.

According to the Chicago-based Thomas Moore Society, it appears that Rozansky is employing technicalities in order to avoid paying the fine.

"Compelling evidence makes it clear that Women’s Aid Clinic is attempting to duck responsibility for their flagrant disregard for women’s safety simply by making a minor, technical change to their name," said Jocelyn Floyd, an attorney for the Thomas More Society. "How can the women of this state trust the Illinois Department of Public Health to protect female patients if the consequences for not meeting Illinois’ medical standards are just brushed aside?"

Judge White's decision isn't quite the end of the tale, though. The Illinois Attorney General can appeal the fine reduction. However, since Illinois’ Democratic Attorney General is an abortion supporter, an appeal isn't likely.

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At some point are we going to call bullshit on liberals who claim abortions are needed for women's health?

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So what, now we can't even fine bad operations because it's somehow an attack on women's rights?


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So what, now we can't even fine bad operations because it's somehow an attack on women's rights?


Evidently not, but we shouldn't be surprised. In every high-profile rape trial, we hear how the supposed rapist being acquitted would have some "chilling effect" or "stop other women from coming forward". We're supposed to convict these men as criminals in the presence of reasonable doubt for the supposed benefit of women, so it should come as no surprise that we're also supposed to let criminals off if it benefits women.

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At some point are we going to call bullshit on liberals who claim abortions are needed for women's health?

How exactly does a particular clinic violating codes and dodging fines undermine (or even relate to) the question of whether an abortion may sometimes be necessary or advisable for health reasons? My dad got a serious staph infection when he had his appendix removed in a grubby hospital that was later ordered to clean up its act by state inspectors. Does that mean we should "call bullshit" on people who claim appendectomies are sometimes needed for health reasons?


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At some point are we going to call bullshit on liberals who claim abortions are needed for women's health?

How exactly does a particular clinic violating codes and dodging fines undermine (or even relate to) the question of whether an abortion may sometimes be necessary or advisable for health reasons? My dad got a serious staph infection when he had his appendix removed in a grubby hospital that was later ordered to clean up its act by state inspectors. Does that mean we should "call bullshit" on people who claim appendectomies are sometimes needed for health reasons?

It means we should call bullshit on the people who are blocking legislation to police hospitals and then enforce existing legislation via wrist-slaps because of some misguided effort to provide affordable health care.

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At some point are we going to call bullshit on liberals who claim abortions are needed for women's health?

How exactly does a particular clinic violating codes and dodging fines undermine (or even relate to) the question of whether an abortion may sometimes be necessary or advisable for health reasons? My dad got a serious staph infection when he had his appendix removed in a grubby hospital that was later ordered to clean up its act by state inspectors. Does that mean we should "call bullshit" on people who claim appendectomies are sometimes needed for health reasons?


It doesn't. That doesn't mean that generalized unrestricted abortion rights are needed for "women's health". The reason they're "needed" is to allow women to continue to have near-total control of the reproductive rights of BOTH sexes. Unless there's massive reductions in the application and amount of child support applied in such cases, there's basically no reason to allow abortion for anything OTHER than medical reasons, but if all abortions can be portrayed as "women's health" issues, the fundamental unfairness of child custody laws can be ignored.

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