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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 2:23 pm 
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You're still fixated on human infection vectors. As for why pig farms are dangerous -- pigs mutate Ebola in a airborne variant called the Ebola Restovirus.


You're fixating on the animal vector.
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While investigating an outbreak of Simian hemorrhagic fever (SHFV) in November 1989, an electron microscopist from USAMRIID named Thomas W. Geisbert discovered filoviruses similar in appearance to Ebola virus in tissue samples taken from Crab-eating Macaque imported from the Philippines to Hazleton Laboratories in Reston, Virginia. The filovirus was further isolated by Dr. Peter B. Jahrling, and over the period of three months over a third of the monkeys died—at a rate of two or three a day.[10]

Blood samples were taken from 178 animal handlers during the incident.[11] Of them, six eventually seroconverted, testing positive using ELISA. They remained, however, asymptomatic. In January 1990, an animal handler at Hazelton cut himself while performing a necropsy on the liver of an infected Cynomolgus. Under the direction of the Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) the animal handler was placed under surveillance for the duration of the incubation period. When the animal handler failed to become ill, it was concluded that the virus had a low pathogenicity in humans.[12]


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On 11 December 2008, pigs from farms slightly north of Manila, Philippines tested positive for the virus. The CDC and the World Health Organization are investigating.[18] On 23 January 2009, Philippine health officials announced that a hog farm worker had been infected with the virus. Although the man was asymptomatic and the source of the infection is uncertain, this could represent the first case of pig-to-human transmission of Reston virus - a fact that could cause concern, as pigs may be able to transmit more deadly diseases to humans. The situation was investigated.[19] Eventually six workers were found to test sero-positive for antibodies to Reston ebolavirus. None developed any noticible symptoms of illness.[20]


The Reston Virus version is of little concern compared to the others. The pig-to-human transmission has been ONE possible (albeit very likely) known case so far, and the concern is not with that virus, but rather that pigs "may" be able to transmit other dangerous diseases, which are not specifically Ebola at all.

And again, the virus has to survive the food-production and storage process in order to be a problem through the supermarket vector.

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 Post subject: Re: Ebola Is In The US
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I'm not fixated on anything other than Ebola and other filoviruses making it into the wild and developing natural reservoirs in the United States. At that point, outbreaks will happen. And our government seems hellbent on making sure that happens, as the entity responsible for such things is allowing asymptomatic, exposed individuals to fly.

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Khross wrote:
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I'm not fixated on anything other than Ebola and other filoviruses making it into the wild and developing natural reservoirs in the United States. At that point, outbreaks will happen. And our government seems hellbent on making sure that happens, as the entity responsible for such things is allowing asymptomatic, exposed individuals to fly.


*Facepalm*

Even if the government perfectly prevents infected people from flying on airplanes, that does not solve the problems I discussed, either human-to-human (and if those humans are then released they can be bitten by mosquitos in wherever the **** they go) nor human-to-animal during the entry process. There are plenty of ways the virus can get into natural reservoirs without any airplanes being involved or the government ever having an opportunity to prevent it.

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Diamondeye:

Allowing the lady to fly actually indicates a gross mishandling of the situation. It's emblematic of the entire problem: the CDC has been incompetent in this matter.

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Allowing the lady to fly actually indicates a gross mishandling of the situation. It's emblematic of the entire problem: the CDC has been incompetent in this matter.


So is that nurse. **** the CDC saying "its ok". She should have a little common sense to think "Hey, I may have gotten this horrible deadly thing. Maybe I shouldn't get into a large metal tube and go see my family."

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Khross wrote:
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Allowing the lady to fly actually indicates a gross mishandling of the situation. It's emblematic of the entire problem: the CDC has been incompetent in this matter.


And that is not the point in contention.

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Just wait till someone's kid gets infected in the U.S. That's when **** will hit the fan politically. With a simple decision, Obama's administration could have prevented Ebola from entering the U.S. months ago.


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So is that nurse. **** the CDC saying "its ok". She should have a little common sense to think "Hey, I may have gotten this horrible deadly thing. Maybe I shouldn't get into a large metal tube and go see my family."

I know it's not the wise, rational thing to do, but I can kinda see where she's coming from. If you've just been potentially exposed to ebola, this might have been the last time she would ever get to see her family. Once you start showing symptoms, your only contact with them is going to be either digital or looking at them through the visors of their giant moon-suits. Not exactly intimate. It's a pretty shitty way to die when you can't even be with the ones you love.

If my fianceé was exposed to someone with ebola, I'd want to spend some time with her before she starts showing symptoms. Yeah, the rational thing to do would be to quarantine her in a room and have no contact with her... but I don't think I could do that. Rationality tends to go out the window when you think you might die.


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So is that nurse. **** the CDC saying "its ok". She should have a little common sense to think "Hey, I may have gotten this horrible deadly thing. Maybe I shouldn't get into a large metal tube and go see my family."

I know it's not the wise, rational thing to do, but I can kinda see where she's coming from. If you've just been potentially exposed to ebola, this might have been the last time she would ever get to see her family. Once you start showing symptoms, your only contact with them is going to be either digital or looking at them through the visors of their giant moon-suits. Not exactly intimate. It's a pretty shitty way to die when you can't even be with the ones you love.

If my fianceé was exposed to someone with ebola, I'd want to spend some time with her before she starts showing symptoms. Yeah, the rational thing to do would be to quarantine her in a room and have no contact with her... but I don't think I could do that. Rationality tends to go out the window when you think you might die.


From what I heard on the news, she went to plan her wedding. Weddings are a big deal, and she was under "self-monitoring" anyhow. Most likely she simply figured if there were any real risk they wouldn't be leaving her to self-monitor.

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Still - she could have done without the "trying on wedding dresses" thing.


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Still - she could have done without the "trying on wedding dresses" thing.


I know right. Those will all have to be burned, and she should be charged for every one of them. Trying on wedding dresses is a sweaty business.

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Still - she could have done without the "trying on wedding dresses" thing.


I know right. Those will all have to be burned, and she should be charged for every one of them. Trying on wedding dresses is a sweaty business.


Sounds like you know from personal experience. :mrgreen:

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Still - she could have done without the "trying on wedding dresses" thing.


I know right. Those will all have to be burned, and she should be charged for every one of them. Trying on wedding dresses is a sweaty business.


Sounds like you know from personal experience. :mrgreen:


Anecdotal. ;) Just from what the fiance has told me.

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Müs wrote:
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Still - she could have done without the "trying on wedding dresses" thing.


I know right. Those will all have to be burned, and she should be charged for every one of them. Trying on wedding dresses is a sweaty business.


Sounds like you know from personal experience. :mrgreen:


Anecdotal. ;) Just from what the fiance has told me.


A likely story!

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