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I'm continually amazed that the same CIA that lied about weapons of mass destruction are now the paragons of honesty and professional integrity regarding Putin installing Trump as his puppet.

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More fake news:

"Muslim" ban. "Immigration" ban. Trump bans "some muslims", etc. It's all over every news source I've seen.

No, you're not seeing Indonesia, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Turkey or Egypt on that list. Calling it a Muslim ban is demonstrably mistaken. Calling it an immigration ban is equally mistaken. Name one country that's on the list of 7 that's not been flagged as an exporter of terrorism and/or rife with terrorism.

Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, and Yemen are the countries. You want folks from there here, then take a vacation there alone and travel the country for 2 weeks without armed guards, if you still want to welcome folks from there I'll buy 1 ticket for a refugee of your choice. I'm not a gambler, I'm pretty sure you'll either change your mind or not come back.

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Syria, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Sudan, Somalia, Iran. With exception of Iran, NONE have functioning central governments. How can we vet fully?

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More fake news:

"Muslim" ban. "Immigration" ban. Trump bans "some muslims", etc. It's all over every news source I've seen.

No, you're not seeing Indonesia, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Turkey or Egypt on that list. Calling it a Muslim ban is demonstrably mistaken. Calling it an immigration ban is equally mistaken. Name one country that's on the list of 7 that's not been flagged as an exporter of terrorism and/or rife with terrorism.

Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, and Yemen are the countries. You want folks from there here, then take a vacation there alone and travel the country for 2 weeks without armed guards, if you still want to welcome folks from there I'll buy 1 ticket for a refugee of your choice. I'm not a gambler, I'm pretty sure you'll either change your mind or not come back.

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Syria, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Sudan, Somalia, Iran. With exception of Iran, NONE have functioning central governments. How can we vet fully?

Further, American companies are forbidden from doing business with individuals or businesses from the following ME/African countries: Iran, Lebanon, Syria, Sudan, Libya, Somalia; and have been for some time.

I've never heard any leftist outrage over it either.

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What bugs me is which country is not not on the list. Saudi Arabia is the source of more terrorism then the ones on that list put together.

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Talya wrote:
What bugs me is which country is not not on the list. Saudi Arabia is the source of more terrorism then the ones on that list put together.

From what I'm reading, the 7 nations involved either don't have centralized governments or their centralized governments aren't willing to work with the US to allow comprehensive investigations of the candidate applying for immigration or refugee status.

There's a lot of "fake news" going on though, I'm having a heck of a time digging in the deep weeds for clues. Putting 2 and 2 together, the thing that make the most sense is that Trump has specifically targeted advocates of Sharia law and is casting a wide net to keep from letting a radical fundamentalist slip through the net.

The undisputed facts are - Once someone's foot hits US soil, it gets complicated and the courts can get involved. Before then, they really can't. Trump and a few others in the executive branch are in charge of refugees and nobody else's opinion matters. Congress is in charge of immigration law, but Trump can basically do whatever he wants as long as he can pay for it.

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What bugs me is which country is not not on the list. Saudi Arabia is the source of more terrorism then the ones on that list put together.


Same for Pakistan.

The problem is that their governments have highly organized and effective intelligence organs, and we get a lot of information from them behind the scenes.

There's stuff going on behind the scenes that we're not seeing. That's how the game is played. There are always considerations.

Also, in the (typical) parading of people who are already here on TV by Chuck Schumer as an argument for why more people who look or talk like them should be allowed in, it was missed that those already holding residency are not banned from re-entry. If you've already got a green card, you're gtg.

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More fake news:

Anti-Semitic?

The POTUS wrote:
It is with a heavy heart and somber mind that we remember and honor the victims, survivors, heroes of the Holocaust. It is impossible to fully fathom the depravity and horror inflicted on innocent people by Nazi terror.

Yet, we know that in the darkest hours of humanity, light shines the brightest.‎ As we remember those who died, we are deeply grateful to those who risked their lives to save the innocent.

In the name of the perished, I pledge to do everything in my power throughout my Presidency, and my life, to ensure that the forces of evil never again defeat the powers of good. Together, we will make love and tolerance prevalent throughout the world.


Sean Spicer wrote:
The president went out of his way to recognize the Holocaust and the suffering that went through it and the people that were affected by it and the loss of life, and to make sure that America never forgets what so many people through, whether they were Jews or gypsies, gays, disability, priests, disabled, gays and lesbians -- it is pathetic that people are picking on a statement,

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There's a vast, vast difference between unintentional bias and outright lying. Mainstream news sources may be guilty of the former, but not the latter.


Mainstream media has been caught lying repeatedly, or intentionally covering up inconvenient facts - which is a lie by omission. Or they let the non-mainstream sources put it out there and then just sort of vaguely allude to it. Or they repeat things that have a veneer of respectability such as the "campus rape crisis" or "gender wage gap" as if they were simply givens when the most elementary analysis demonstrates that they are not.

The media has, for a long time, been trying to pretend that reality has a liberal bias and they are just reporting a national environment where conservatives are fighting an uphill battle because the world just naturally favors the left because that's the way of "progress" and the "right side of history". Trump wouldn't be able to do this if the media hadn't already sacrificed its credibility.

Everyone knows Trump is loose with the facts. People don't give a **** because he's not even trying to hide it. He says the stuff and it's like "ok, you're a bullshitter, but there is something here."

Hell, for years whenever some leftist cause celebre' gets caught making up a bullshit story and then screaming about it - the UVA Rape story for example - when it's shown that the story is nonsense we instantly get a barrage of "well yes, but it's not important that this was a total lie, because it highlight the larger issue of blah blah blah".

The left is so worried about Trump's lies because they hold up a mirror.

This 1000X. I can't blame Trump for taking such adversarial attitude towards the MSM. They have spread misinformation through omission about him and many other things. They've been in bed with Obama for 8 years and have been incredibly soft-ball with him and Hilary. Obama has kicked out reporters he didn't like as well. Bias is fine as long as you're open and honest about it. They like to pretend they are the sole arbiters of what can be considered true.

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More fake news

Trump threatened to send in troops to Mexico to stop 'bad hombres'

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The Associated Press, citing a transcript of the conversation it obtained, reported earlier that Trump made the threat in a phone call.

"You have a bunch of bad hombres down there," Trump told President Pena Nieto, according to the excerpt seen by the AP. "You aren't doing enough to stop them. I think your military is scared. Our military isn't, so I just might send them down to take care of it."


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Mexico's foreign relations department denied that account, saying it "is based on absolute falsehoods," and later said the statement also applied to the excerpt provided to AP.

"The assertions that you make about said conversation do not correspond to the reality of it," the statement said. "The tone was constructive and it was agreed by the presidents to continue working and that the teams will continue to meet frequently to construct an agreement that is positive for Mexico and for the United States."

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Interesting read

https://www.yahoo.com/news/reuters-memo ... 28278.html

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a pair of internal memos circulated within news organizations this week illustrate the debate that’s happening in newsrooms around the country: how to cover a president who claims he views the media as “the opposition party.”

I found this next part ... obvious. It's funny that it had to be spelled out, and it's even funnier that they think they have a "side". and by "funny" I don't mean "ha ha ha!". I mean "funny" like the money you think is worth something but find out differently.
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–Don’t pick unnecessary fights or make the story about us. We may care about the inside baseball but the public generally doesn’t and might not be on our side even if it did.
–Don’t vent publicly about what might be understandable day-to-day frustration. In countless other countries, we keep our own counsel so we can do our reporting without being suspected of personal animus. We need to do that in the U.S., too.
–Don’t take too dark a view of the reporting environment: It’s an opportunity for us to practice the skills we’ve learned in much tougher places around the world and to lead by example — and therefore to provide the freshest, most useful, and most illuminating information and insight of any news organization anywhere.

The most interesting (from a current affairs perspective) part of the story to me was this
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On Monday night, Wall Street Journal editor in chief Gerard Baker sent an email to editors asking them to stop referring to the seven countries included in Trump’s travel ban as being predominantly Muslim.

“Can we stop saying ‘seven majority Muslim countries’? It’s very loaded,” Baker wrote in the internal email, which was published Tuesday by Politico. "The reason they’ve been chosen is not because they’re majority Muslim but because they’re on the list of [countries] Obama identified as countries of concern. Would be less loaded to say ‘seven countries the US has designated as being states that pose significant or elevated risks of terrorism.'”

While many media outlets have accurately described the countries in Trump’s controversial executive order — Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen — as predominantly Muslim, the administration contends it is not a “Muslim ban.”


They're just now starting to get a clue...unless this is fake news too.

My opinion Trump as president is based on what I know from hearing him and reading between the lines of the garbage news organizations distribute. If bringing a balance to the reporting efforts of the major media conglomerates is the only thing he accomplishes it'll be worth it. I don't want to be told that he's committed atrocities, I don't want them to trot out a tame "expert" to present only the side of the story they want me to dwell on, I want to read what he did and form a conclusion myself.

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