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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 8:17 am 
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I liked this article. Lays it out pretty well.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/05/ ... erica.html


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Folks, our country is in big trouble. What kind of man do we have in the White House? President Obama is a Harvard-educated lawyer. Thus, since he attended such a renowned school, I can only conclude that Obama willfully and knowingly distorted/lied about the plight of Hispanic-Americans in Arizona and the state's immigration law when he said, "...but now suddenly if you don't have your papers, and you took your kid out to get ice cream, you're gonna be harassed, ..."

Obama's statement simply is not true. The Arizona law goes into effect only after a subject has or is suspected of committing a crime. So, if a Hispanic person does not rob the ice cream shop, it is safe to say he and his child can enjoy their ice cream in peace.

And yet, our characterless president and the liberal mainstream media in solidarity with those who boldly and arrogantly break our laws are shamefully promoting lies about the Arizona immigration law. Why? To recruit future Democrat voters.

Obama and the liberal mainstream media apparently couldn't care less about the national racial tension and violence fueled by their irresponsible distortion of the Arizona law. This is the Al Sharpton and Tawana Brawley Hoax all over again. Only this time, it is the President of the United States spreading lies and fueling the flames of racial hatred.

As I have stated on numerous occasions regarding other national issues, it is always all about Obama. His political agenda and him "looking good" trump national race relations and even the best interests of our country. Again, I say, dear Lord, what kind of man do we have in the White House?

As a black patriot of the Tea Party Movement, the liberal mainstream media practically strapped me down and waterboarded me, attempting to force me to confess seeing racist signs, which I never saw, at tea party rallies. Meanwhile, they are completely blind and silent about the outrageous, hate-filled, racist, traitorous, and violent signs on display at the anti-Arizona immigration law rallies.

Recently, the word of the month from Obama flacks in the liberal mainstream media was "sedition," which Webster defines as "the stirring up of discontent, resistance, or rebellion against the government in power." Obama's homeys in the media were aggressively attempting to make the "S"-word stick to tea party patriots, conservative commentators, and anyone who opposed Obama's agenda.

I am also struck by the breathtaking arrogance and entitlement mindset of the anti-Arizona immigration law protesters. The liberal mainstream media portrays illegal immigrants as humble peasants who are seeking a better life while hiding in the shadows, while in reality, those attending the rallies were angry, demanding, and some were even violent. Their attitude is "in your face, America! Yes, we are here illegally, and you had better give us what we want!"

Who do they think they are? What has inspired them to boldly ignore our laws? I submit that these illegals and their liberal supporters are emboldened by the usual suspects: the liberal mainstream media, the Democrats, and, outrageously, the President of the United States.

Obama received 96% of the black vote. A large percentage of those black voters were the product of decades of indoctrination by the liberal mainstream media and Democrats: America is racist, out to oppress you, and owes you. Now Democrats are employing their same tried-and-true tactics on illegals to birth a new crop of victim- and entitlement-minded Democrat voters.

These new potential Democrat voters already believe that America sucks. Notice the small number of American flags at their rallies verses the sea of U.S. flags at the tea parties. Many hate capitalism and are not interested in learning English. There is a huge difference between wanting to be an American and using America.

In New York harbor stands a lady with her arm raised to the sky. As ambassador for the American people, she warmly embraces all who legally seek to join our great national family.

Despite traitorous lies from an enemy within, race, color, and creed are irrelevant. All we require for the privilege and honor of becoming an American is a respect for our laws and a desire to contribute to this extraordinary experiment called America, the greatest nation on the planet. To all who feel this way, we say, "Welcome home!"

Lloyd Marcus, (black) Unhyphenated American
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Many gems in that article. I agree that this ceased being about a law and more about an agenda for the opposition quite some time ago.

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You know how conservatives often point out (quite rightly) that the most prejudiced and race/gender-obsessed people are actually the ones who spend their lives decrying racism/sexism? That's what conservatives are like with regards to partisanship these days. They seem honestly incapable of believing anyone could actually just disagree with them on the substance. Any and all criticism of their positions is automatically dismissed as mere partisanship. /headshake

Handy way of never having to re-examine their own beliefs, I guess.


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RD, I've yet to see you raise a problem with this particular law that is actually valid or unique to this particular law.

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Screeling wrote:
RD, I've yet to see you raise a problem with this particular law that is actually valid or unique to this particular law.


Interesting, as I've found all of RD's comments to be germain and spot on.


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Screeling wrote:
RD, I've yet to see you raise a problem with this particular law that is actually valid or unique to this particular law.



This. Your fan boy attitude toward the Community Organizer is astounding.

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You know how conservatives often point out (quite rightly) that the most prejudiced and race/gender-obsessed people are actually the ones who spend their lives decrying racism/sexism? That's what conservatives are like with regards to partisanship these days. They seem honestly incapable of believing anyone could actually just disagree with them on the substance. Any and all criticism of their positions is automatically dismissed as mere partisanship. /headshake

Handy way of never having to re-examine their own beliefs, I guess.


This isn't conservatives; it's both sides and it's been going on for a while now, and it's really mostly polititicians and the media. Of course it's stupid. Obviously people disagree because of partisanship. Duh. That's why they disagree with the substance.

The problem with both sides is that each side thinks the other is disagreeing with its substance only because of ideological partisanship, and if they would just give up that ideology the merits of the other argument would become only to clear. Of course, there aren't a whole lot of perfect positions, so this isn't too likely. On the other hand, the exact middle is rarely the best solution either.

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RangerDave wrote:
You know how conservatives often point out (quite rightly) that the most prejudiced and race/gender-obsessed people are actually the ones who spend their lives decrying racism/sexism? That's what conservatives are like with regards to partisanship these days. They seem honestly incapable of believing anyone could actually just disagree with them on the substance. Any and all criticism of their positions is automatically dismissed as mere partisanship. /headshake

Handy way of never having to re-examine their own beliefs, I guess.


Both sides do it because the argument has descended to name-calling. Neither side will listen to the other because neither side will present their views in a rationale way. For example this law is decried as racist which in turn labels those in favor of border-control as racists. For those that support the law they view the opposition as liberal pansies who want to open our doors to anyone who wants to wander in.

Obviously neither side's belief or opinion is as polarized as they are portrayed to be by the opposition but because its easier to dismiss one side as douchebags and the other as racists that's where the discussion ends.

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http://www.lacan.com/zizpopulism.htm

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Screeling wrote:
RD, I've yet to see you raise a problem with this particular law that is actually valid or unique to this particular law.



This. Your fan boy attitude toward the Community Organizer is astounding.


See, case in point. I've never been a huge fan of Obama. I think he was the best choice among those available last time around, but I've repeatedly expressed reservations about him going too far on domestic policy and being too secretive and authoritarian when it comes to criminal due process and judicial checks on Executive power. Yet you ignore my critiques of him and instead just assume that I'm a fan boy because I'm not invariably opposed to everything he does.


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RangerDave wrote:
...I've repeatedly expressed reservations about him going too far on domestic policy and being too secretive and authoritarian when it comes to criminal due process and judicial checks on Executive power.


That you have, and I respect you for it.

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Perhaps the President was exaggerating, but a Tea-Bagger (a term which is employed by the Tea Party themselves) calling someone out for blowing something out of proportion or "adding fuel to the fire" is pure gold.


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Is it ALL about race? Probably not. There are some who focus purely on policies.

But . . .
I guarantee you that if Obama was a white man, he would not be getting nearly as much flack as he is now.

Simple fact is, many Americans cannot accept that someone of mixed race could be president.

If Hillary had been elected, we'd see a similar backlash. "I ain't takin' orders from no woman! I'm against her policies, whatever they are!"

Can I prove this? Of course not, as I do not have powers over time and space. But to deny that there is not a strong racist undercurrent in the US mindset is just being blind to the truth.

I was talking with some friends of mine last night, and one of them brought up the point that there are many people out there that would condemn Obama because (paraphrased): "He is breathing air that could have been breathed by hard-working, red-blooded Americans."

If there's something wrong with the nation, it MUST be Obama's fault, right? He couldn't have possibly walked in to already broken systems, right? Obama's predecessor was just such a better president, right? :roll:


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Comparing vomit to **** does not make me want to eat the vomit more.

And I don't know if Bush was better or worse - they seem to be equally bad at infringing on rights (Obama hasn't moved to repeal any of that disgusting Bush era stuff) but are doing it in different directions.

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Rodahn:

That's a truly spurious misuse of a source, seeing as how there's no indication of self-referential use in your Wikipedia link.

As for the race card? No one gives a **** that he's black: he's just a bad President. His policies are bad; his policies are hurting the country; his policies are going to make the last 3 years look like a **** walk in the economic park.

Do you know what happens when Greece's Austerity plan fails? Spain collapses, then Germany, then Austria, then the United Kingdom, then the United States tailspins into another long L-Shaped Recession. Except, we're still in a Depression; unemployment is still out of hand; and domestic manufacturing is all fabricated. The guy in the White House, since he wants to assume credit for EVERYTHING, is a **** moron. FDR was wrong. And the Left doesn't **** get it. Nothing's coming up roses and any defense of Obama after his Administration INTENTIONALLY suppressed information concerning the Healthcare Reform Act from legislators and the public is ABSOLUTELY inexcusable.

Bush was a shitty President, but when it comes to outright LYING to the people: Iraq has nothing on the manipulation of information concerning the HCRA.

P.S. I seriously wish he was White, though, so people would stop saying: "It's just racism." No, no, it's not. Barack Obama is a policy **** that will leave the United States a festering 3rd world **** hole.

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Rodahn:

That's a truly spurious misuse of a source, seeing as how there's no indication of self-referential use in your Wikipedia link.


I think the picture indicates it. It doesn't take a large leap of logic to see that the person holding the sign is on the opposing side of Liberal Democrats, and most likely a member of the Tea Party (or at least an ally of it).

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]As for the race card? No one gives a **** that he's black: he's just a bad President. His policies are bad; his policies are hurting the country; his policies are going to make the last 3 years look like a **** walk in the economic park.


Again, I disagree. I think the race card plays more into it than many would like to admit. As far as his policies, I think the above statement is going a bit far. Is he perfect? Of course not. I still think that he needs to slow down and drop the cyclopic approach he takes to his policy-making and work more with his opposition to come to a middle-ground. At least he is willing to shake things up, in a country where things need to be shaken up. I for one do not want to fall back into another Conservative strangle hold.

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Do you know what happens when Greece's Austerity plan fails? Spain collapses, then Germany, then Austria, then the United Kingdom, then the United States tailspins into another long L-Shaped Recession. Except, we're still in a Depression; unemployment is still out of hand; and domestic manufacturing is all fabricated. The guy in the White House, since he wants to assume credit for EVERYTHING, is a **** moron. FDR was wrong. And the Left doesn't **** get it. Nothing's coming up roses and any defense of Obama after his Administration INTENTIONALLY suppressed information concerning the Healthcare Reform Act from legislators and the public is ABSOLUTELY inexcusable.


By FRD being wrong, I assume you are talking about Alphabet Soup and all of the Public Works policies he enacted? If so, I think some public works projects (if managed correctly) would be a good way to create jobs. I personally would love to see a Euro-inspired mass transit system introduced to the US. Construction alone would open up a ton of jobs, as would maintenance, staffing and engineering once completed.

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Bush was a shitty President, but when it comes to outright LYING to the people: Iraq has nothing on the manipulation of information concerning the HCRA.


On this I will agree. While lying is par for the course in politics -- doing so to such a level is inexcusable. Hopefully, Obama's future actions will make up for this.

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P.S. I seriously wish he was White, though, so people would stop saying: "It's just racism." No, no, it's not. Barack Obama is a policy **** that will leave the United States a festering 3rd world **** hole.


Again, I think that's going a bit too far. The US has endured previous presidents perceived as "bad," and it will continue to. I still think that a "country consisting of its people, with whom the real power rests" is an accurate descriptor of the US. The oligarchy many perceive as controlling our lives is delicate. If you push your people too far, the dam will burst and scary things will happen. But, again, I don't think we'll see this happen when Obama's term ends.


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Rodahn wrote:
By FRD being wrong, I assume you are talking about Alphabet Soup and all of the Public Works policies he enacted? If so, I think some public works projects (if managed correctly) would be a good way to create jobs. I personally would love to see a Euro-inspired mass transit system introduced to the US. Construction alone would open up a ton of jobs, as would maintenance, staffing and engineering once completed.



Sure it would open up a ton of jobs with construction, staffing, engineering and maintenance - paid for by tax dollars. It would also be a continuous source of massive spending by the Gov't. If a "Euro-inspired mass transit system" were fiscally profitable, would be undertaken by private enterprise. It would be a money pit, just as Amtrack is.

Instead of Gov't spending, why not cut out the middle-men and give tax cuts/credits directly to the businesses that create jobs? That's a much more efficient method of jobs creation.

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Rodahn:

The sign in your source doesn't substantiate your claim, which you would know if you'd bothered to research the image. That sign came from the 2009 Tea Party protest where they were collecting literal tea bags to send to Congress (Actual, you know, Lipton tea bags?). The second use indicates they feel the Liberals are trying to "tea bag" the U.S. in the Halo 3 kind of way.

That said, nothing I've said about Obama is going too far: his economic policy is going to destroy this nation.

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Rodahn, instead of calling "Tea-Baggers" racist, why don't you go listen to them, their concerns and their ideas?

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