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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 7:27 pm 
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Doctor assisted suicide: Morally Acceptable.

Gay or lesbian relations: Morally Acceptable. How is this even an issue?

Abortion: Morally Acceptable. Really though, prevention methods please. Condoms are CHEAP.

Having a baby outside of marriage: Morally Acceptable.

Sex between an unmarried man and woman: Morally Acceptable. More like morally awesome!

Buying and wearing clothing made of animal fur: Morally Acceptable

Medical testing on animals: Morally Acceptable

Gambling: Morally Acceptable

Medical research using stem cells obtained from human embryos: Morally Acceptable

Cloning animals: Morally Acceptable

The death penalty: Morally Acceptable

Divorce: Morally Acceptable.

Suicide: Morally Acceptable, but very tragic. Suicide is a very permanent solution to problems that are usually temporary

Cloning humans: Not sure where I stand on this one.

Polygamy, when one husband has more than one wife at the same time: Morally Acceptable, as long as all parties involved are okay with it. Same goes for women with multiple husbands.

Married men and women having an affair: Morally Wrong

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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2010 7:35 pm 
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I started to answer this and then realized these are all absolutes. Under various circumstances, each becomes either acceptable or wrong. This is a tool to allow the test giver to feel smugly morally superior because they can question every answer with a situational probe to make the test taker feel awkward or wrong. The only way to pass the test is to ignore it as the piece of manipulative trash it is.

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I find the fact that 34% of their respondents answered medical testing on animals is morally unacceptable to be laughable, sad, and ignorant....

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I find the fact that 34% of their respondents answered medical testing on animals is morally unacceptable to be laughable, sad, and ignorant....

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The answers to these questions can and do change over the years. Ask me these questions 40 years ago...30...20..10...even 5 years ago...the answers change. What I thought was morally right/wrong then is different from what I think now. I'm only talking morally right/wrong in my opinion, though...I don't agree with the general morality of society on a whole. Everyone needs to face their own demons, not let "society" determine which demons are right or wrong. If I'm wrong, so be it! It was my choice!

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Ultimately, the word "moral" is interpreted differently by everyone. Religious individuals may interpret it as being "WWJD?" Others may interpret the word as being whether or not they personally feel it's wrong.

There isn't a universal definition for the world "moral." Each person's definition of the word will change the way they view each of these questions.

For example, the gay/lesbian issue:

Is it morally acceptable? Many view it as being against their religion, though they personally don't mind what others do in their free time. Personally, they find it acceptable, but it goes against what their religion tells them they should believe. So how would one interpret this particular issue when they are being pulled from both directions?

When I think of the phrase "morally acceptable," I think of something entirely different than when I think of the phrase "morally right." Acceptable suggests it's tolerable or satisfactory. It doesn't suggest it's completely righteous by any means. I get the feeling that if you list the death penalty as being morally acceptable, it suggests your a huge proponent of the death penalty. I think something being acceptable and being the right thing are two very different views. In fact, there could be anti-gays who tolerate the behavior, but are completely against it. Tolerating it is accepting it. They are synonyms. So you can find it morally acceptable but still not feel it's right whatsoever. Thus, this entire discussion is discredited until we start using the same definitions.

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Interesting that so many people think that having sex out of wedlock is fine but having a baby out of wedlock is not. You can't completely seperate those two without resorting to abortion.


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Interesting that so many people think that having sex out of wedlock is fine but having a baby out of wedlock is not. You can't completely seperate those two without resorting to abortion.

I think it's similar to people's views on drunk driving. Most people have driven a car after being buzzed. However, whenever someone else gets a DUI (or even just talking amongst society), we look down on them terribly. It is a bad thing, right? Why is it okay when you do it?

People don't view sex out of wedlock as morally unacceptable because they do it themselves. However, the second a kid pops out, it's turns to unacceptable. "I was responsible when I did it. They should have been more careful!" Using the drunk driving analogy, this would be the getting caught part. Once you cross that line, society will treat you like you're the uni-bomber. I find it funny how quickly people change their minds about others simply based on one indiscretion that they themselves are guilty of doing at some point in their past. I myself have never gotten a DUI, but I've seen how society has treated others who have. You get lumped into a lower category of society that will be viewed completely different forever, as long as people are aware of that past. It's not just drunk driving. It's all of these things that people view as "morally unacceptable." We all judge others far too quickly.

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I don't believe in morals. So everything is morally right and wrong.


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I think the thread is ultimately meaningless since responses will implicitly assume one of two competing schools of metaphysical thought without entertaining that neither is necessarily absolute or correct.


Sometimes Khross, the questions aren't as deep and detailed as you think they are. I don't think anyone believes that these questions are the end all be all answer.


What you are posturing makes no sense. How can a question be an "answer".

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Rafael wrote:
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I think the thread is ultimately meaningless since responses will implicitly assume one of two competing schools of metaphysical thought without entertaining that neither is necessarily absolute or correct.


Sometimes Khross, the questions aren't as deep and detailed as you think they are. I don't think anyone believes that these questions are the end all be all answer.


What you are posturing makes no sense. How can a question be an "answer".


Psst.. I think the word you're looking for is "postulating".

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I mean posturing because what he is saying is completely superficially motivated.

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Micheal wrote:
I started to answer this and then realized these are all absolutes. Under various circumstances, each becomes either acceptable or wrong. This is a tool to allow the test giver to feel smugly morally superior because they can question every answer with a situational probe to make the test taker feel awkward or wrong. The only way to pass the test is to ignore it as the piece of manipulative trash it is.


I don't know that I'd attribute such intentional malice, but this is more or less how I feel.

I started to answer the questions I my head and many of them had the same result: "well, in this case, it's fine..."

Granted, I am probably the most indecisive person in the world and judge everything with an asterisk if I make a call at all, which is a bad thing when taken to that extreme... but I can't see answering a lot of these very general questions with a flat answer as per the instructions.


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Doctor assisted suicide: Morally Acceptable -- Some people would just have a miserable existence if suicide was not an option.

Gay or lesbian relations: Morally Acceptable -- You love who you love.

Abortion: I am honestly torn on this one. I have no true answer.

Having a baby outside of marriage: Morally Acceptable -- An unmarried couple can be just as qualified to care for a child as a married couple.

Sex between an unmarried man and woman: Morally Acceptable -- Again, you love you love.

Buying and wearing clothing made of animal fur: Morally Acceptable if the animal is raised/killed humanely.

Medical testing on animals: Morally Acceptable if they are humane tests.

Gambling: Morally Acceptable if like all vices, you control them and not vice versa.

Medical research using stem cells obtained from human embryos: Morally Acceptable if the child is not mistreated.

Cloning animals: Morally Acceptable if the animal is not mistreated.

The death penalty: Morally Wrong -- An eye for an eye is SO Hammurabi.

Divorce: Morally Acceptable -- Sometimes you must separate from your spouse.

Suicide: Morally Acceptable -- Again, sometimes it is the only way.

Cloning humans: Morally Acceptable if they are not mistreated.

Polygamy, when one husband has more than one wife at the same time: Morally Acceptable -- This comes down to a my moral views vs yours scenario.

Married men and women having an affair: Morally Wrong -- Affairs are almost always situations brought on by the lack of something in a current relationship. If that is the case, talking to your spouse should always occur before an affair. If it the situation cannot be reconciled, then divorce, then sleep around.


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RangerDave wrote:
Gallup recently released the results of a poll that probed Americans' opinions on the morality of certain behaviors. How do your own views compare? (I've spoilered the actual poll results, so people can answer before seeing what Gallup found.)

Doctor assisted suicide: Morally Acceptable or Morally Wrong?
Acceptable. Very strict conditions, etc, but there are times I believe it to be right.

Gay or lesbian relations: Morally Acceptable or Morally Wrong?
Acceptable.

Abortion: Morally Acceptable or Morally Wrong?
Harder. Acceptable. But the boundary between cell and being is something I dont claim to know. Even still, there are circumstances where I would say its acceptable no matter where that line is, in the same way as we have moral conundrums that legitimise killing adults.

Having a baby outside of marriage: Morally Acceptable or Morally Wrong?
Acceptable.

Sex between an unmarried man and woman: Morally Acceptable or Morally Wrong?
Acceptable.

Buying and wearing clothing made of animal fur: Morally Acceptable or Morally Wrong?
Hm. I'd say acceptable, but conditional; on use of the animal, rearing conditions, etc.

Medical testing on animals: Morally Acceptable or Morally Wrong?
Acceptable. As above. Emphasis on medical.

Gambling: Morally Acceptable or Morally Wrong?
Acceptable, but stupid. I guess I might answer differently if you asked about running a gambling company.


Medical research using stem cells obtained from human embryos: Morally Acceptable or Morally Wrong?
I dont understand this one. An 'embryo' is a viable fertilised & developing child or just an egg or what?

Cloning animals: Morally Acceptable or Morally Wrong?
Acceptable, but only because I dont understand the details. How does it differ from breeding an animal?

The death penalty: Morally Acceptable or Morally Wrong?
Wrong. Legal systems falliability too high.

Divorce: Morally Acceptable or Morally Wrong?
Acceptable.

Suicide: Morally Acceptable or Morally Wrong?
Acceptable.

Cloning humans: Morally Acceptable or Morally Wrong?
If my understanding of cloning is correct - that you could, if it worked, grow a genetically identical human, but that it would be a different person, based on experience - then I'd say Acceptable, but I can't think of any circumstances where the expense of doing so would be justified that wasnt reprehensible (i.e. spare parts for rich people).

Polygamy, when one husband has more than one wife at the same time: Morally Acceptable or Morally Wrong?
Not my cup of tea, but provided all consensual, why not?

Married men and women having an affair: Morally Acceptable or Morally Wrong?
Wrong.


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Buying and wearing clothing made of animal fur: Morally Acceptable or Morally Wrong?

Fashionably wrong. Usually. However, out of curiosity, for everyone who answered "morally wrong" to this question:

Do you ever wear or use anything made of leather? What the **** is the difference?

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Leather is a useful material with good tensile strength, reasonable durability, flexible and protective at the same time. Fur is just vanity, someone wanting to look pretty.

That is BS by the way, fur is warm, quite useful in the winter. Yes, there are pure vanity reasons for wearing fur, but it still keeps you warm as well or better than most man-made attempts at that. It is also a useful material.

I've had people use the first argument on me. They get shut down quickly with the second argument.

There are also a bunch of purely decorative or vanity motivated leather articles. It isn't just belts, coats, and boots.

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Leather is a useful material with good tensile strength, reasonable durability, flexible and protective at the same time. Fur is just vanity, someone wanting to look pretty.


And cows are dumb, ugly, bags of meat.

Whereas bunnies are cute, adorable, and dangerous, evil lagomorphic demons bent on taking over the world.


I've got a theory. It could be bunnies...

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"I love the animals."
Hey, I love the animals too. I love my doggy. He's so cute. My fluffy little dog.. He's so cute-
There's the problem. We only want to save the cute animals, don't we?

Yeah. Why don't we just have animal auditions. Line 'em up one by one and interview them individually.
"What are you?"
"I'm an otter."
"And what do you do?" "I swim around on my back and do cute little human things with my hands." "You're free to go." "And what are you?" "I'm a cow." "Get in the **** truck, ok pal!" "But I'm an animal." "You're a baseball glove! Get on that truck!" "I'm an animal, I have rights!" "Yeah, here's yer **** cousin, get on the **** truck, pal!" We kill the cows to make jackets out of them and then we kill each other for the jackets we made out of the cows.

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