The Glade 4.0

Thoughts?

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

His logic in this case is sound. I think even those in opposition understand this to a point. This why you see the demonization of those "fat cats who don't want to pay their fair share."

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

I think the key word there is legislate although I will admit I wonder what an absolute implementation of that ideal would mean exactly.

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“Strong people are harder to kill than weak people, and more useful in general”. - Mark Rippetoe

How could any sane person argue that they are entitled to the fruits of someone else's labors?

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Eh.. it happens every day on this very board...

My X-wives lawyers did so quite successfully.

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In time, this too shall pass.

So, you're saying you oppose any and all forms of taxation?

People say that all the time about my work.

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Memento Vivere

I have local knowledge.
That sandbar was not there yesterday!

That's an absurd leap of logic. How did you derive that question from his comment?

All taxation is redistribution of wealth, and allows a person that does nothing to benefit from the labor of others that actually do something.

You keep on thinking things like that, and the next thing we know you'll vote for Obama's re-election.

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And if it is agreed to prior from occuring then there is no issue.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

...what?

my problem isn't the concept, but its a vast oversimplification.

What about all those willing to work who cannot find a job? Its easy to sound-bite your way into a stance on complex issues. Too bad it never approaches the realities of real life.

An excellent example of doing what you decry there Riov.

I'm not trying to set policy or even advocate for a particular policy. I was trying to cite an example that discredits the basic premise. Nice try though Ladas.

So using soundbites to discredit soundbites?

Ladas:

Actually, the most incriminating portion of TheRiov's post is implicit, rather than explicit. After all, what would have to assume that "reality" supports the "need" for all these people to have jobs in the first place.

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Yes Ladas, in that it only takes one (verfiable) fact to disprove a basic theory.

Its nearly always easier to disprove something than to prove it.

That's true Riov, but you didn't provide a "fact", you presented a soundbite to a complex group of people, attempting to oversimplify the situation by intentionally not examining the nature of that group and components.

A lot of people are just flat unemployable when there is even the slightest surplus of labor, because they are horrible employees. They may "want to work" as in have a job and get a paycheck, but their level of effort is non-existant. You also get groups of people accustomed to a specific type of work or industry and are unwilling or unable to find jobs in that line of work because the jobs just flat don't exist, or demand for them is higher than their credentials, so rather than look elsewhere, they claim they can't find work.

I have that quote in my quote.docx followed by these...


"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor." - Gary North


"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largess from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: "from bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage." - Alexander Frazier Tytler


"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

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"It is true that democracy undermines freedom when voters believe they can live off of others' productivity, when they modify the commandment: 'Thou shalt not steal, except by majority vote.' The politics of plunder is no doubt destructive of both morality and the division of labor."