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California May Drop Its Official State Rock

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California May Drop Its Official State Rock
By JENNIFER STEINHAUER
Published: July 13, 2010

LOS ANGELES — Empirically speaking, geologists are not a particularly irascible group. But those who make their living studying rocks, minerals and gems in California — and increasingly those scientists beyond the state’s borders — are enraged over a bill in Sacramento that would knock serpentine, the official state rock, off its mantel.
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Some serpentine rocks do serve as a host for chrysotile, a form of asbestos. But geologists say chrysotile is less harmful than some other forms of asbestos, and would be a danger only if a person were to breathe its dust repeatedly.

The lawmaker and others who would like to see serpentine stripped of its title say the olive green rock found all over the state is a grim symbol of the deadly cancers associated with asbestos, which can be found in the rock. Geologists, who have taken to Twitter on behalf of the rock, assert that serpentine is harmless and is being demonized by advocates for people with asbestos-related diseases and possibly their trial lawyers, too.

The bill to defrock the rock — which recently passed the full State Senate and is awaiting a vote in the Assembly — is sponsored by Senator Gloria Romero, a Los Angeles Democrat, with the strong support of the Asbestos Disease Awareness Organization.

Declaring that serpentine “has known health effects,” the bill would leave California — one of roughly half the states in the nation with an official rock or mineral — without an official rock. (According to the bill, California was the first state, in 1965, to name an official rock.) Asbestos occurs naturally in many minerals, and indeed some serpentine rocks do serve as a host for chrysotile, a form of asbestos. But geologists say chrysotile is less harmful than some other forms of asbestos, and would be a danger — like scores of other rocks — only if a person were to breathe its dust repeatedly.

“There is no way anyone is going to get bothered by casual exposure to that kind of rock,” said Malcolm Ross, a geologist who retired from the United States Geological Survey in 1995. “Unless they were breaking it up with a sledgehammer year after year.”

Dr. Ross and other opponents of the bill are concerned that removing serpentine, which is occasionally used in jewelry, as the state’s rock would demonize it and thus inspire litigation against museums, property owners and other sites where the rocks sit; they cite the inclusion of a letter of support from the Consumer Attorneys of California with the bill as evidence.

“If they keep the asbestos issue bubbling,” Dr. Ross said, “it means money for politicians, more money for lawyers and money for scientists to investigate.”

J. D. Preston, a spokesman from the consumer lawyers group, said the group had nothing to do with drafting the legislation and was just responding to a request from the awareness organization for a support letter. “We just thought this was a good fit in our mission of consumer safety,” Mr. Preston said. “It is certainly not the intent, and we don’t even see where it opens the avenue for litigation.”

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has indicated no position.

Linda Reinstein, president of the awareness organization, whose husband died of mesothelioma, pointed out that the bill had numerous letters of support, including ones from the Childrens Hospital Los Angeles and groups that represent people with mesothelioma, a cancer of the lining of many internal organs associated with asbestos.

“It doesn’t do anything legally,” Ms. Reinstein said of the proposed legislation. “This bill is all about education and awareness. We never expected such a stir.”

Under the hashtag — a Twitter identifying phrase that allows easy searching of similarly themed messages — #CASerpentine, scientists and other opponents of the bill are debating the bill’s merits and offering fighting words. One read, “Dear gloria romero, you have picked the wrong nerds to mess with!”

Senator Romero said she didn't believe it was appropriate for California to have a state rock that is linked to asbestos. "California is health conscious," she said. "This is not about being anti-rock. But why do we need a rock?"

This article has been revised to reflect the following correction:

Correction: July 16, 2010


Because of an editing error, an article on Wednesday about a dispute in California over removing serpentine as the state’s official rock because it contains asbestos misstated the cause of death for the husband of Linda Reinstein, the president of the Asbestos Disease Awareness Organization. Her husband died of mesothelioma, a cancer of the lining of the lungs and other organs that is closely tied to asbestos exposure; he did not die from lung cancer.


I guess she had nothing more pressing to address in the State Legislature. :roll:

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I would like to submit a new bill to all states and the fed.... if someone brings in a bill of some sort of idiotic legislation, such as but not limited to: removing the state rock. Then they must pay all members of the legislature otu of their own pockets and not spend taxpayer money to do so.

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We get that here in Rhode Island as well. We have a projected budget deficit of over 2 billion dollars for the year 2011, we have some of the highest unemployment numbers in the country, we have cities who's school councils have bankrupt them, and yet, the legislation in our state congress has hinged largely around attempts to change the name of our state. The state name is The State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, and has been since it's founding. The reason for the proposed change? The current name is, of course, racist.

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Things like these are just distractions to get voters in an uproar and prevent them from focusing on the real issues.

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Arnold needs to start busting some heads on this one, and tell them to start focusing on more important issues that actually help the state and its citizens.


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Not gonna happen. Nobody loves him. Pretty sure his numbers are worse than the guy he replaced (the one that got recalled).

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LadyKate wrote:
Things like these are just distractions to get voters in an uproar and prevent them from focusing on the real issues.


Yes, they are.

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It's not that they do this sort of crap in order to use their Jedi powers to prevent us from focusing on the real issues, it's because they don't want to focus on the real issues - it's too hard.
Nah, I think it's characteristic of today's politicians; they are primarily interested in getting their names attached to something and pleasing their pet special interest groups. This is just an example of a two-fer.

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Rynar wrote:
We get that here in Rhode Island as well. We have a projected budget deficit of over 2 billion dollars for the year 2011, we have some of the highest unemployment numbers in the country, we have cities who's school councils have bankrupt them, and yet, the legislation in our state congress has hinged largely around attempts to change the name of our state. The state name is The State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, and has been since it's founding. The reason for the proposed change? The current name is, of course, racist.


If the legislators who are supporting that want to pay from their pockets for the time... fine. On taxpayer dollars BUGGER OFF!

I am glad my dad is getting out of that state.

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http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id ... _article=1

Looks like the Governator can continue the furloughs.

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Vindicarre wrote:
It's not that they do this sort of crap in order to use their Jedi powers to prevent us from focusing on the real issues, it's because they don't want to focus on the real issues - it's too hard.
Nah, I think it's characteristic of today's politicians; they are primarily interested in getting their names attached to something and pleasing their pet special interest groups. This is just an example of a two-fer.


Why should politicians look at real solutions to the big problems? Any real solution is political suicide to even suggest.


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Xequecal wrote:
Vindicarre wrote:
It's not that they do this sort of crap in order to use their Jedi powers to prevent us from focusing on the real issues, it's because they don't want to focus on the real issues - it's too hard.
Nah, I think it's characteristic of today's politicians; they are primarily interested in getting their names attached to something and pleasing their pet special interest groups. This is just an example of a two-fer.


Why should politicians look at real solutions to the big problems? Any real solution is political suicide to even suggest.

Maybe we should fix that by having a term limit of 1 term ;)


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I would be in favor of a federal service limit of 12 years, total, be it House, Senate, or Executive. I would also be in favor of nationalization of the entire legal system, and a ridgid Constitution.

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Rynar wrote:
I would be in favor of a federal service limit of 12 years, total, be it House, Senate, or Executive. I would also be in favor of nationalization of the entire legal system, and a ridgid Constitution.


Term limits: yes.
Nationalization of legal system: dislike. Any grivence against the govt would disqualify everyone as a conflict of interest. Id lean towards a checks and balance system for our legal system, but what lawyer is going to argue pro on that when it goes to court?

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Hannibal wrote:
Rynar wrote:
I would be in favor of a federal service limit of 12 years, total, be it House, Senate, or Executive. I would also be in favor of nationalization of the entire legal system, and a ridgid Constitution.


Term limits: yes.
Nationalization of legal system: dislike. Any grivence against the govt would disqualify everyone as a conflict of interest. Id lean towards a checks and balance system for our legal system, but what lawyer is going to argue pro on that when it goes to court?


Um... I didn't say scrap juries. Also, the high law of the land is already dictated by nine government laywers made unaccountable by lifetime appointment...I don't see how my suggestion could possibly make things any worse.

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