Former University of Florida Gators Quarterback Tim Tebow is no stranger to success. His past achievements include being the first college sophomore to win the Heisman Trophy and being named MVP in the 2008 national championship game.
More recent accomplishments include being drafted in 2010 by the Denver Broncos and becoming their full-time starting QB beginning in the 6th game of 2011. A recent string of come from behind victories have Bronco fans cheering and Tebow emulators kneeling.
Prayer in the locker room and on the field is nothing new, but Tebow's genuflecting and praising God to the press have raised controversy and eyebrows off the field.
Twin brothers at a Long Island High School were recently suspended following and incident where hallways were jammed by students striking Tebow's signature kneeling fisted pose.
Tebowing has been gaining momentum online with one website encouraging readers to share their own Tebowing poses with the world.
The Urban Dictionary now defines Tebowing as getting down on a knee and praying, even if everyone else around you is doing something completely different.
And just when it looked like Tebowing might be reaching it's zenith as a meme, SNL lampoons Tebow with a skit that portrays Jesus advising Tebow and the Broncos in the locker room. With this portrayal has come a backlash from the Christian right aimed at SNL. Television evangelist Pat Robertson went as far to say that if SNL had done a similar parody mocking Muslims, there would be “bodies on the street."
Robertson went on adding that “Tebow is an example" and a "wonderful human being". Tebow seems to have the support of right wing Christians and Evangelicals alike.
So what do you think of "Tebowing"?
I, admittedly not a Christian have my own opinion, and without spilling it all at once, can say I think the SNL skit nearly nailed it on the head.
I haven't watched the skit, but it doesn't make a difference anyway. It's probably funny, and mildly offensive. That's what they do.
Anyway, why anyone is criticizing a young man for displaying his faith is beyond me. Some people have waaaaaaay to much spare time.
No joke. It speaks volumes about the state of our society that Tim Tebow has captured more public scorn for displaying his faith than Mike Vick got for electrocuting dogs or Ben Rothlisberger got for raping women in bathrooms.
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Vick and Roethlisberger at least had the common decency to try to keep that **** secret.
No kidding. And all this gay pride stuff needs to quiet the **** down and go away.
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I haven't watched the skit, but it doesn't make a difference anyway. It's probably funny, and mildly offensive. That's what they do.
Anyway, why anyone is criticizing a young man for displaying his faith is beyond me. Some people have waaaaaaay to much spare time.
No joke. It speaks volumes about the state of our society that Tim Tebow has captured more public scorn for displaying his faith than Mike Vick got for electrocuting dogs or Ben Rothlisberger got for raping women in bathrooms.
Well, Vick was all over the news. Not sure about meathead.
Of course, I went to Virginia Tech while Vick was QB there, so needless to say ...
I haven't watched the skit, but it doesn't make a difference anyway. It's probably funny, and mildly offensive. That's what they do.
Anyway, why anyone is criticizing a young man for displaying his faith is beyond me. Some people have waaaaaaay to much spare time.
No joke. It speaks volumes about the state of our society that Tim Tebow has captured more public scorn for displaying his faith than Mike Vick got for electrocuting dogs or Ben Rothlisberger got for raping women in bathrooms.
Poor oppressed Christians. except that comment does NOT equal scorn. I personally think its a bit over the top, but he's welcome to celebrate how he likes.
Frankly I think that public displays of faith are great--but when's doing it for a FOOTBALL game and not some greater cause (feeding the hungry, etc etc) I think its highly hypocritical.
A lot of people think what he does is great. He doesn't get anywhere near the amount of scorn that Vick got and it's ridiculous to even compare them. Tebow gets made fun of because so many people in the media were calling him God's Gift when in reality he's just a decent fullback with a decent arm.
Poor oppressed Christians. except that comment does NOT equal scorn. I personally think its a bit over the top, but he's welcome to celebrate how he likes.
Frankly I think that public displays of faith are great--but when's doing it for a FOOTBALL game and not some greater cause (feeding the hungry, etc etc) I think its highly hypocritical.
I would agree with most of this post. Just another form of celebration. In the skit Jesus was telling him to "tone it down" and back off. I have not read of one Christian leader that questions his on field displays.
Some might find it hypocritical for a non Christian to quote Christ, but here goes. From the sermon on the mount.
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Matthew 6
1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.
5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
Jauspiced, let me highlight something in that quote.
"Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them"
That's the important bit. And, unless you can read minds, we can't claim to know what his motivations for praying in a public space are.
Is he praying on the field to be seen praying? Or is he praying on the field because that's where he happens to be, and he wants to honor, thank, praise, or petition God at that moment?
I couldn't tell you. So I can't point to that passage and say "He's disobeying God's instructions."
It's worth pointing that passage out, to remind us of it's message, sure. But it's not damning evidence (if you'll pardon the pun). That passage speaks of hypocrisy and false or selfishly motivated professions of faith, and we just can't judge whether they apply. The only people who could are Tebow himself, and God.
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What Kaffis said. The passage speaks to motive. There are lots of public prayers in the bible, even chronologically after Mathew 6. Thus it seems unreasonable in the whole of evidence to say the passage is a ban on public prayer. So it does have to deal with motives. It's not wrong to pray at the restaurant because you want God's thanks upon the meal; it's wrong to pray at the restaurant so that the guy next to you thinks your super spiritual.
I'm not willing/able to speak to Tebow's motives.
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<snip>...pablum...</snip> I think its highly hypocritical.
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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
Rynar wrote:
Arathain Kelvar wrote:
I haven't watched the skit, but it doesn't make a difference anyway. It's probably funny, and mildly offensive. That's what they do.
Anyway, why anyone is criticizing a young man for displaying his faith is beyond me. Some people have waaaaaaay to much spare time.
No joke. It speaks volumes about the state of our society that Tim Tebow has captured more public scorn for displaying his faith than Mike Vick got for electrocuting dogs or Ben Rothlisberger got for raping women in bathrooms.
Well, Vick was all over the news. Not sure about meathead.
Of course, I went to Virginia Tech while Vick was QB there, so needless to say ...
Me too. Between him and the shooting, 2007 was an ugly year for the Alma Mater.
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TheRiov wrote:
Poor oppressed Christians. except that comment does NOT equal scorn. I personally think its a bit over the top, but he's welcome to celebrate how he likes.
Frankly I think that public displays of faith are great--but when's doing it for a FOOTBALL game and not some greater cause (feeding the hungry, etc etc) I think its highly hypocritical.
How do you know he doesn't also do it for other reasons, who are you to judge when he should and shouldn't, and most importantly, how the **** is it "hypocritical" in any way? That isn't what hypocrisy means at all.
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