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I thought it was a bad thing politically to tell people what to do with their bodies, at least that's what all those democrat pro-abortion people keep telling me /boggle

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

Honestly, if marajuana is going to be a type one controlled substance, alcohol and tobacco should go on the list as well.

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Buckle your pants or they might fall down.

We already tried that. It didn't work out too well.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Maybe 1 out of 10 people will give up smoking for that reason.

The other 9 do it because it cost so **** much now. Poor people can no longer afford it.

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Raell Kromwell

Yeah. I think his point is about MJ, not about alcohol and tobacco.

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I've said before we are rather inconsistent on these things. I'm not endorsing any of them, but at the same time I realize that not everything I feel is immoral is illegal nor is it reasonable or possible to do so in this age. I could not in good conscience vote to legalize something I feel is immoral, but as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others, I realize its out of my hands to a point.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

I know. Consistency, however, is a means, not an end in itself.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Oh, this is pretty awesome. So now, we're going to make doctors fill out prescriptions for recreational use of carcinogens. You know, the guys who have sworn primum non nocere?

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

I think you've just hit on the goal. They can claim cigarettes aren't "banned" because doctors can perscribe them, even though there's pretty much no reason for a doctor to ever actually do so.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Actually doctors already do this in certain cases (albeit, not the exact same way as being suggested here).

Hospitals are now smoke free, and as such, I've seen doctors write instruction for a patient to be allowed to smoke in their room because of dependency.

That said, I'm really tired of these **** moronic Republicans and Democrats. Religion vs Big Brother......both want to dictate our lives from the sky.

Democrats: Legalize marijuana! Outlaw smoking!

I went and bought cigars and shisha today just to shove it up the craw of the anti-smoking lobby. I don't even smoke habitually.

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

I'm happy with legalizing marijuana under the current tobacco restrictions... 18+ and no smoking within X yards of businesses.

+1

Plow the fields under, salt them and cover them with concrete.

Making possessing tobacco penalties equivalent to about 50 years ago.

Execute the corporate leadership. Lesser sentences for the wage slaves.

All stock in these now existent companies is deemed worthless.

Turn all assets over to cancer research and smoking/dipping/whatever cessation programs.

Oh, have I ever mentioned I'm not very fond of tobacco smoke?

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

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Holy shitsnacks!

Oddly enough, I really dislike cigarettes but enjoy the occasional cigar. I actually just came back from Nicaragua where I picked up several from a couple of the local manufacturers down there. I use the term manufacturer loosely by the way. I stopped at Don Elba's and not only did I get a small tour of where they make them (one room) and info on how they select and make them. They made me one on the spot which I smoked there with some Flor de Cana rum. Awesome way to spend an afternoon.

Awesome

I don't mind having an occasional cigar either. Especially with some good whisky.

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Holy shitsnacks!

I'm a non-smoker in a non-smoking household and I find much of the anti-smoking campaign offensive. Much the same way I find any heavy-handed message with an agenda offensive (whether I agree with the base opinion or not).

What (adult) people do to their own bodies on their own time is their own business. The only problem I have with many/most/(all?) smokers, the only only only problem I have is when they have zero regard for not littering.

I do find it a bit odd that there is such a strong movement against smoking. But I haven't seen equally similar movements against other "harmful" activities like drinking and (especially) too much media (television, movies, games, social networks, etc). Possibly because of similar reasons why the news never reports on things like "too much television is not a good idea."

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Les Zombis et les Loups-Garous!

The whole world is your ash tray irks me ad well however that could be remedied by the enforcement of excisting laws if folks had the wherewithal.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

The worst part about smokers is that they smell like death. A smoker with BO is one of the most disgusting things ever.

My thoughts when I see the thread title:

I'm of two minds on this.

I don't like the anti-smoking push to be so strong, but at the same time, I'm allergic enough to smoke that it's very uncomfortable to have to breathe it in walking on the sidewalk past someone who is smoking.

So I'm OK with "time & place" restrictions, but think people should be able to do whatever they want in the privacy of their own homes.

Of course, then there's the "what about kids with chain smoking parents", since the research definitely backs it up as being a huge, huge health risk to them- second hand smoke is way more carcinogenic than primary smoke, due to the filters on most cigarettes.

And on that front, we restrict some things parents might do to their children as negligent or harmful, but it's important to not have the "state" step into that relationship too much.

Hence, two minds. I have yet to see a solution I'm really happy with holistically, especially with the second hand smoke and children issue.

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Darksiege: You are not a god damned vulcan homie.

As someone who grew up as a young child stuck in a car, and a house, with two smoking parents, who were oblivious, and someone who is extremely sensitive (i won't say allergic because I've never been tested) to smoke of any kind, I'm ok with use with restrictions (in regards to public places).

I'm very conservative when it comes to individual rights, especially when it comes to what you do in the privacy of your own home...

However, I really struggle with the situation where kids.. especialy young kids, are stuck in homes with smokers, or stuck riding in cars with parents/siblings who smoke.

There is currently a war against smoking, just cause it’s the easier thing to do. while "think of the kids" pull on your heart string, reality is if you’re a bad parent, you’re going to be subjecting your kids to bad stuff, not just second hand smoke. Alcohol and unhealthy foods affect the child just as much as second hand smoke, and alcohol in particular have the potential for emotional trauma in a child.

Is smoking bad? Of course, but so are most good things in life, when taken to the extreme. If you’re going to take the worst example of any addiction as the reason for banning something, you could essentially ban any activity. Notice how all current studies on smoking use those who smoke more than a pack a day? That’s about 30 minutes per smoke (while awake), day in, day out.

I often get surprised reactions from people when they realise I smoke. I don’t smell, I don’t litter, I don’t smoke around venues where there are children and I don’t smoke in enclosed areas even when smoking is allowed. I’m a responsible smoker, just like responsible drinkers, responsible gun owners and responsible parents.

But self responsibility never gets mentioned when the masses wants something banned, it’s just inconvenient.

If you really want to help the children, get them away from the 75% of humanity that's too stupid to be trusted with them.

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Buckle your pants or they might fall down.