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Thoughts on this? Emphasis mine.

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Oil companies watch out. Biofuels are on the verge of a breakthrough that will transform the oil market. Not only that: it will also green the planet. In an exclusive interview with CleanTechnica.com and Energy Post, Darrin L. Morgan, Director Sustainable Aviation Fuels and Environmental Strategy at Boeing, reveals that researchers at the Masdar Institute in Abu Dhabi, funded by Boeing, Honeywell and Etihad Airways, may have achieved “the biggest breakthrough in biofuels ever”. Alarmed by the poor quality of fuel made from shale oil and tar sands and frustrated by the blunt refusal of oil companies to provide fuel of better quality, Boeing and its partners have over the past four years sponsored research into alternative fuels that has led to spectacular results. They found that there is a class of plants that can grow in deserts on salt water and has superb biomass potential. “Nobody knew this”, says Morgan. “It is a huge discovery. A game-changer for the biofuels market.” Karel Beckman has the story.
The Corn Lobby will win this argument in the United States. There are superior biomass options that grow domestically in the United States that we're already ignoring because of the Corn Lobby, Lenas.

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What about the Algae lobby?


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What about the Algae lobby?


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Great question, we have reached out to our user base to mobilize a, pardon the pun, grassroots campaign to raise awareness amongst our elected officials on the importance of algae farming.

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Lenas wrote:
Thoughts on this? Emphasis mine.

http://www.energypost.eu/exclusive-repo ... uels-ever/

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Oil companies watch out. Biofuels are on the verge of a breakthrough that will transform the oil market. Not only that: it will also green the planet. In an exclusive interview with CleanTechnica.com and Energy Post, Darrin L. Morgan, Director Sustainable Aviation Fuels and Environmental Strategy at Boeing, reveals that researchers at the Masdar Institute in Abu Dhabi, funded by Boeing, Honeywell and Etihad Airways, may have achieved “the biggest breakthrough in biofuels ever”. Alarmed by the poor quality of fuel made from shale oil and tar sands and frustrated by the blunt refusal of oil companies to provide fuel of better quality, Boeing and its partners have over the past four years sponsored research into alternative fuels that has led to spectacular results. They found that there is a class of plants that can grow in deserts on salt water and has superb biomass potential. “Nobody knew this”, says Morgan. “It is a huge discovery. A game-changer for the biofuels market.” Karel Beckman has the story.


Hope you don't ever want to use that land for something else. Salt and most yummy plants don't mix well.


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It's a desert. You planning on developing it any time soon? Gonna grow some corn?


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Environmentalists would just complain that the desert was being ruined.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 10:09 am 
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Lenas wrote:
It's a desert. You planning on developing it any time soon? Gonna grow some corn?


Not if you irrigate with salt water. Also, if you start growing crops here for fuel, you'll need people. Which means you'll need water, and other types of food. So there will be development if they start doing this.

That's hardly insurmountable, but the point is that there will be a lasting impact.


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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
Lenas wrote:
It's a desert. You planning on developing it any time soon? Gonna grow some corn?


Not if you irrigate with salt water.

The point is, there will be a lasting impact.


Lasting impact on the already-unusable useless land. the lasting impact will be - we've found a use for it.

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Talya wrote:
Arathain Kelvar wrote:
Lenas wrote:
It's a desert. You planning on developing it any time soon? Gonna grow some corn?


Not if you irrigate with salt water.

The point is, there will be a lasting impact.


Lasting impact on the already-unusable useless land. the lasting impact will be - we've found a use for it.


Useless now. Doesn't mean it will always be the case. Keep in mind, it also depends on what they mean by "desert". Lots of people grow crops and live in the desert. There are different kinds of desert. If it's truly inhospitable land, it could be worth the contamination of the soil to do this. If it's already semi arable, it's a heavy cost.


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I think they're talking about doing this in areas where the soil is already salty and unsuitable for other plants. Like, arid areas along the coast where the groundwater is already brackish and the soil is salty. I don't really understand how exactly they plan to prevent salt from building up over time (maybe by flushing it occasionally with fresh water?), but it's a problem they can't ignore. These plants still have a limit for the amount of salt they can tolerate.

Obviously if you have access to freshwater you would just use that and grow normal plants, but many areas in the world don't have enough freshwater to irrigate land. Also, supposedly these plants are edible and can also be used to produce cooking oil. So it's not like we'd be destroying our ability to produce food in order to satisfy our appetite for fuel. It's just a different kind of crop for a different kind of climate.


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What if they brought the Utah salt flats back to life with this?


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What if they brought the Utah salt flats back to life with this?


Then there would be plants there?


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Probably too salty for plant growth. If it was turned into a farm then land-speed records trials would go somewhere else.

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