The Glade 4.0

We don't actually know if he killed the girl. We don't. Where is the evidence connecting him to her death? Where is the murder weapon?

It's possible he might have killed her. It's also possible that someone else killed her and set him up for it. If you are going to charge someone with murder, you ought to have your **** together.

The right did the same thing with Vince Foster. They swore up and down that Clinton had the guy killed, despite their being no actual evidence connecting him to any conspiracy or to the crime. And still today you have perfectly rational intelligent people swear up and down that Clinton had it done.

I don't know what happened that night. But murder is a pretty serious allegation.

We don't actually know if he killed the girl. We don't. Where is the evidence connecting him to her death? Where is the murder weapon?

It's possible he might have killed her. It's also possible that someone else killed her and set him up for it. If you are going to charge someone with murder, you ought to have your **** together.

The right did the same thing with Vince Foster. They swore up and down that Clinton had the guy killed, despite their being no actual evidence connecting him to any conspiracy or to the crime. And still today you have perfectly rational intelligent people swear up and down that Clinton had it done.

I don't know what happened that night. But murder is a pretty serious allegation.

Christopher "Huck" Look was a deputy sheriff working as a special police officer at the Edgartown regatta dance that night. At 12:30 am he left the dance, crossed over to Chappaquiddick in the yacht club's launch, got into his parked car and drove towards his home, which was south of the Dike Bridge. He testified that between 12:30 and 12:45 am he had seen a dark car containing a man driving and a woman in the front seat approaching the intersection with Dike Road. The car had gone first onto the private Cemetery Road and stopped there. Thinking that the occupants of the car might be lost, Look had gotten out of his car and walked towards it. When he was 25 to 30 feet away, the car started backing up towards him. When Look called out to offer his help, the car took off eastwards, towards the ocean, down Dike Road in a cloud of dust.[6] Look recalled that the car's license plate began with an "L" and contained two "7"'s, both details true of Kennedy's 1967 Oldsmobile Delmont 88.


The Dike Bridge, Martha's Vineyard, pictured here in 2008 with guardrail.According to his inquest testimony, Kennedy made a wrong turn onto Dike Road, an unlit dirt road that led to Dike Bridge (also spelled Dyke Bridge). Dike Road was unpaved, but Kennedy, driving at "approximately twenty miles an hour", took "no particular notice" of this fact, and did not realize that he was no longer headed towards the ferry landing.[7] Dike Bridge was a wooden bridge angled obliquely to the road, with no guardrail. A fraction of a second before he reached the bridge, Kennedy applied his brakes; he then drove over the side of the bridge. The car plunged into tide-swept Poucha Pond (at that location a channel) and came to rest upside-down underwater. Kennedy later recalled that he was able to swim free of the vehicle, but Kopechne was not. Kennedy claimed at the inquest that he called Kopechne's name several times from the shore, then tried to swim down to reach her seven or eight times, then rested on the bank for around fifteen minutes before returning on foot to Lawrence Cottage, where the party attended by Kopechne and other "Boiler Room Girls" had occurred. Kennedy denied seeing any house with a light on during his journey back to Lawrence Cottage.[8]


"Dike House" along Dike Road.In addition to the working telephone at the Lawrence Cottage, according to one commentator, his route back to the cottage would have taken him past four houses from which he could have telephoned and summoned help; however, he did not do so.[9] The first of those houses, referred to as "Dike House", was 150 yards away from the bridge, and was occupied by Sylvia Malm and her family at the time of the incident. Malm later stated that she had left a light on at the residence when she retired for that evening.[10]

According to Kennedy's testimony, Gargan and party co-host Paul Markham then returned to the waterway with Kennedy to try to rescue Kopechne. Both of the other men also tried to dive into the water and rescue Kopechne multiple times.[1] When their efforts to rescue Kopechne failed, Kennedy testified, Gargan and Markham drove with Kennedy to the ferry landing, both insisting multiple times that the accident had to be reported to the authorities.[11] According to Markham's testimony Kennedy was sobbing and on the verge of breaking down.[12] Kennedy went on to testify that "[I] had full intention of reporting it. And I mentioned to Gargan and Markham something like, 'You take care of the other girls; I will take care of the accident!'—that is what I said and I dove into the water".[11] Kennedy had already told Gargan and Markham not to tell the other women anything about the incident "[b]ecause I felt strongly that if these girls were notified that an accident had taken place and Mary Jo had, in fact, drowned, that it would only be a matter of seconds before all of those girls, who were long and dear friends of Mary Jo's, would go to the scene of the accident and enter the water with, I felt, a good chance that some serious mishap might have occurred to any one of them".[13] Gargan and Markam would testify that they assumed that Kennedy was going to inform the authorities once he got back to Edgartown, and thus did not do so themselves.[2]

According to his own testimony, Kennedy swam across the 500-foot channel, back to Edgartown and returned to his hotel room, where he removed his clothes and collapsed on his bed.[13] Hearing noises, he later put on dry clothes and asked someone what the time was: it was something like 2:30 a.m., the senator recalled. He testified that, as the night went on, "I almost tossed and turned and walked around that room ... I had not given up hope all night long that, by some miracle, Mary Jo would have escaped from the car."[14]

Back at his hotel, Kennedy complained at 2:55 am to the hotel owner that he had been awoken by a noisy party.[2] By 7:30 am the next morning he was talking "casually" to the winner of the previous day's sailing race, with no indication that anything was amiss.[2] At 8 a.m., Gargan and Markham joined Kennedy at his hotel where they had a "heated conversation." According to Kennedy's testimony, the two men asked why he had not reported the accident. Kennedy responded by telling them "about my own thoughts and feelings as I swam across that channel ... that somehow when they arrived in the morning that they were going to say that Mary Jo was still alive".[14] The three men subsequently crossed back to Chappaquiddick Island on the ferry, where Kennedy made a series of phone calls from a payphone by the crossing. The phone calls were to his friends for advice and again, he did not report the accident to authorities.[2]

19 Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt. 20 There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.

He drove the car off the road while drunk. He knew she was in the car, left her, passed a firestation and many other places with phones but only called in the accident after he had a good nights sleep.

Murd er er

But I do think your evidenciary standards have a habit of varying based on your political affiliations.

So, is there any evidence contradicting his testimony? It certainly looks like manslaughter, but he was never charged. Why not? Do you think it was merely his influence? Or do you think that there was insufficient evidence to convict him? Either is certainly possible.

So yeah, clearly not murder, probably manslaughter, but no charges and no trial. No plea, no evidence to show intent. Just a lot of guesswork.

19 Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt. 20 There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.

That's a fair position to take, Rynar, but I think in order to condemn someone you need a bit more actual evidence. You're certainly entitled to make a call about the situation, but Elmo didn't just make a call. He stated that Ted Kennedy murdered that woman. The evidence does not support that.

19 Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt. 20 There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.

That's a fair position to take, Rynar, but I think in order to condemn someone you need a bit more actual evidence. You're certainly entitled to make a call about the situation, but Elmo didn't just make a call. He stated that Ted Kennedy murdered that woman. The evidence does not support that.

Sure, anyone can condemn him morally, I certainly don't question that.