The Glade 4.0

Ain't that the truth!

There's only one poll pole I trust.

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"...the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?" -Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

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Sadly, I think some people believe the truth is dependent on who states it.

Everyone else must prove the truth to be true.


They don't have such a requirement for themselves, apparently.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

lol DE u so Contra dictory

There's nothing like taking statements out of context to try to make a point. This is how we end up in stupid arguments like "the sky is blue." "Really, what's blue? How do you know it's blue? why can't I call it purple?!? I know it has nothing to do with the topic, but I want to drag things into philosophical never-never-land because you didn't include 6 pages of caveats to your original statement that I'd ignore anyhow!"

"water is wet". Same thing. "ZOMG! WE CAN'T ASSUME THE BLINDINGLY OBVIOUS BECAUSE WE MIGHT BE BRAINS IN A JAR SOMEWHERE!!!."

There's also nothing like resuming an argument a week later.. and people wonder why things are the way they are around here.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

You can tell it is blue by measurin the wavelength of light. An objective standard.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Sorry, if the length between my posts isn't how you want the forums to work; I don't come here to post obsessively.

Oh, it's obvious exactly "why things are the way they are around here".

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

Yeah, there's nothing obsessive about not being able to let an argument with me go because you're still mad about my comments about this board having heavily gravitated to a libertarian fringe.



Yeah, it is. We used to have rules for behavior, then we got rid of them, and everyone posts in the "it's ok to be a douche" forum now. Imagine that. I liked it when there were actual consequences for acting like a ****, and if it were up to me we'd get rid of this forum and go back to the "Heckfire standard" (and if you really care to investigate, the threads are there from when the change took place) and then maybe there could be actual conversation.

But, I guess it's just too easy to subtly imply one person is the whole problem and not examine one's own behavior, eh? No worries dude, the same thing applies to you as to Kaffis. If you want to go talk video games, as far as I'm concerned what's said in here stays in here. You're not in the small category of people freaking out that someone viewed a video game differently from them.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

DE, when people disagree with you, it's not because they're mad at you, or butthurt, or whatever else. Despite what you may believe, your rhetorical acumen isn't so strong, your personal attacks aren't so biting that you can continually incite emotional reactions in whomever you so choose. A clue to that may be that others don't continually post immediate responses to your every post.

Again (and for the last time), you'll note that I've not once said anything about the veracity of the poll, or whether it's a positive or negative finding in my mind. I spoke of the truth, and the constancy of said truth no matter what one thinks of the truth-sayer's "character" (see:Ad Hominem).

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

It might be more convincing if you hadn't already admitted you were pissed off that I said this was a fringe board now.. even though that's hardly directed at anyone personally. Hell, we just did the chart again and proved I'm right in the center of the vertical axis, and almost everyone else is in or close to the bottom half.



No, most people don't. You, however, are in that category that likes to get the last word in. So am I. So are a few other people. Here's a hint: Everything you said applies to you too, and as for personal attacks, I'm pretty much not interested in hearing about them, when they default response to just about anything I say is "you're an authoritarian!" Maybe if you were going around trying to improve everyone's behavior this would mean something, but.. not the case.



And once again, neither did I. I said I wasn't taking it seriously based on the source. I never said the poll was actually wrong (although the idea that it shows a shift in Republicans to "basic libertarian views" is definitely stretching). I actually did go and look at the source itself after you linked it, which, as I stated, was because I simply missed the link (contrary to your "if you really cared about it" nonsense) and the poll itself appears reasonably credible.

I won't, however, take a poll sourced through Glenn Beck seriously until another source is found, nor go do that work myself. When I post a link to something, I do my best not to use sources like blogs, or known loonies like Beck, precisely because they call into question whatever they're citing. I wouldn't claim to have a perfect record in that regard, but I do make the effort.

Your entire assessment of what I've said has been entirely off-base, and when you "don't post obsessively" but then when you DO, just come in, misunderstand what I post, refuse to accept clarification, make a bunch of snarky comments, act like it's a problem when I'm snarky back, then leave for a week and come back and somehow it's so important to get that last word in that you have to dredge the argument up again.. yeah, you obviously are taking personal umbrage at me, and have no desire whatsoever to return to a more civil conversation.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

I have heard self-identifying [insert belief system here] advocate some pretty crazy, hateful things. I try not to judge a philosophy based on what a few self proclaimed believers state.

I know that my being anti-abortion would disqualify me from being a "true libertarian" in many eyes; I just look at the core of the philosophy of minarchism, and it suits my understanding of what would be most beneficial. The core of the libertarian philosophy is that the individual is responsible for themselves, but it is not so near sighted as to believe that an individual's actions don't have an effect on others. Quite the contrary, I see it as a "lead from example" kind of thing. Another part of libertarianism that is often overlooked for the more flashy "Individualism" is the usual understanding that voluntary charity is a necessity in a society in order to achieve the best results.

The merits of a privatized police force and privatized travel systems can be debated, as long as it is from the angle of what is the most efficient. Efficiency demands that the job gets done, not just for the wealthy. The intended purpose of police is to protect individuals from other individuals assaulting their liberties. I think a privatized police force could do that, I also see some pitfalls that a privatized police force would exacerbate (mainly from the standpoint that those without means could get less protection). The intended purpose of a travel system is to allow people to travel freely, safely and rapidly from point to point. I see a privatized system as being capable of doing that as well, but still see some problems that may arise (mainly because accessibility to the system may be limited to those with the means to pay).

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

Travel works a lot like the Internet. You want people to be able to travel for little cost. If the people can't get to you, or vice versus, you can't sell them anything. There are strong market incentives to fund roads.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."