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Elmo, are you within the 15 mile radius of Limerick?

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There once was a man from Limerick ...

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Rafael wrote:
Elmo, are you within the 15 mile radius of Limerick?


There once was a muppet named Elmo
Who when Obama was elected said Hell No!
He polished his guns
And once he was done
Said screw it! Sungglywumpis fro numo!

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Rafael wrote:
Elmo, are you within the 15 mile radius of Limerick?


Im not but my parents are.

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This guy is a fool.


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Aust's not too bad atm, but thats more to do with the fact we're a immigrating country (for rich people. hard to smuggle in to an island) and people from other countries come to spend.


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Screeling wrote:
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I've seen an old field manual on nuclear combat from the 80s too, and radiation exposure tables sort of indicate the same thing for radiation exposure - how long can this man keep fighting?

My old boss who was in the army used to say "Count to flash, *** to blast." Was that part of it?


I don't think the FM used those precise words.

However, most people don't realize how easy it is to protect yourself from the initial radiation of a nuclear blast if you're far enough away that you're not inside the fireball or the blast radius (whether it's ground or air burst makes a huge difference too). Just being behind an earthen berm or in a foxhole cuts exposure by 5 to 10 times. Being inside an armored vehicle is the same or better depending on what kind it is.

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chernobyl...
Even the residue could kill ya


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chernobyl...
Even the residue could kill ya


Chernobyl was not a nuclear explosion. In fact, it was actually way worse in terms of fallout than most any single nuclear explosion unless you made one with, say, cobalt tampers to increase long-term fallout. Even then it would still depend heavily on burst height and yield.

Chernobyl involved several explosions and a fire that spread large amounts of radioactive material in a large plume over time. Nuclear explosions, on the other hand, invest far more of their energy in blast, fireball, and short-term radiation such as gamma rays which move at the speed of light. In addition, the fusion portion in thermonuclear (hydrogen) types of warheads produces far less radiation, proportionally speaking.

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On 26 April 1986 at 01:23 a.m. (UTC+3) reactor number four at the Chernobyl plant, near Prypiat in the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, exploded. Further explosions and the resulting fire sent a plume of highly radioactive fallout into the atmosphere and over an extensive geographical area. Four hundred times more fallout was released than had been by the atomic bombing of Hiroshima.[2]


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According to official estimates, about 95% of the fuel (about 180 tonnes) in the reactor at the time of the accident remains inside the shelter, with a total radioactivity of nearly 18 million curies (670 PBq). The radioactive material consists of core fragments, dust, and lava-like "fuel-containing materials" (FCM) that flowed through the wrecked reactor building before hardening into a ceramic form.


Part of the reason for so much fallout at Chernobyl was the ample supply of radioactive material; 180 tons of radioactive material is far larger than any nuclear weapon; as large as most weapons plus their entire delivery system. In fact a B-52 loaded is between 132 and 244 tons, so we're talking about as much radioactive material in terms of weight as a nuclear bomb, plus its entire case and systems, plus the airplane carrying it.

The Hiroshima bomb by various measures was 12 to 20 kilotons total yield, so in order to produce the same amount of radiation, a nuclear warhead would need to be 4.8 to 8 megatons in total yield, assuming that radiation production scaled up evenly. That is not, however, a safe assumption. Once weapons pass about 500 kilotons, pure fission designs become impractical and a fission-fusion design (thermonuclear, or a "hydrogen bomb" as often known) is needed. In fact, the largest weapon ever tested, Tsar Bomba, weighed in at 50 megatons by most sources and still produced less radiation (it was scaled down from a planned 100 megaton test and while the Soviet Union of the 50s is less than sterling in terms of safety, it's also safe to say that they did not wish to turn their own nation into a radioactive mess); in fact in terms of radiation compared to yield it was one of the cleanest detonations ever as well.

With most nuclear detonations, initial radiation would be quite high but it would fall off fairly rapidly, especially for an airburst. A ground burst would produce much more fallout because of the ground material being incorporated into the fireball and contaminated. A subsurface explosion produces the most, but is also best contained.

One would therefore expect to see high levels of radiation around hard targets such as missile silos following an exchange. Those targets would be attacked mainly by ground or subsurface burst to knock them out. Softer targets such as airfields and cities would be attacked by airburst, and therefore probably have less persistent radioactivity (in very general terms, since yield and number of weapons utilized would matter as well). This would be no free lunch though, sicne an airburst would maximize blast damage.

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To put the Chernobyl accident in perspective, the steam pressure was enough to blow the 2,000 ton reactor vessel head nearly 700 feet into the air.

The Russian RMBK design is inherently unstable, in that it has a positive moderator coefficient: increasing power causes positive reactivity insertion, increasing reactivity and increasing power. Whereas all the designs over here (GE BWR Gen 2-5, ABWR, ESBWR and Westinghouse PWR designs) are negative, in that power acension creates negative reactivity insertion, so the reactors are inherently stable.

Furthermore, their reactor graphite moderator control rods had hollow tips and slow insertion times. The voids mean they displaced moderator (water or graphite) and increased local reactvity greatly as they ascended to fully inserted. The result was estimated core thermal power peaking at 30 Gigawatts, above 10 times the peak output of the largest scale commercial reactors in the world with today's modern plant designs.

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I made a booboo. I'm sorry! It was late, I blame it on umm.. my puppy! I actually meant hiroshima, but obiously my brain to finger nerve was on holidays >.<


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Monte wrote:
Borrowing out of recession is pretty much standard Keynesian thought. And frankly, it's working. We had growth last quarter, and many of the countries that had a robust stimulus saw their recessions turn around. Now it's on to jobs.


It hasn't worked. -1 for Monte. I'm done necroposting for now.


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Khross wrote:
Why beat a dead horse? Barack Obama has proven himself the most financially and fiscally incompetent President in the history of the United States in 10 months. It's pretty awesome, if you ask me. His entry in the history book will make W's look like a praise parade.

Nah, they write the history books. That's why everyone thinks FDR saved us from the Great Depression.

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