The Glade 4.0

Except that it's not such evidence. It may be to you, but that's not scientific; it's just you seeing it the way you want to see it.

What you're really doing is making a circular argument:

"There isn't a god, which means the health effects of prayer are obviously a placebo effect, which is evidence there isn't a God."

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Fair enough, re-reading your post I can see that's where you were going. Sorry I got left at the station by that train of thought

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Well, it's actually more nuanced than that. Prayer is in effect basically meditation. It is a process of calming the mind/body and allowing your brain to process the things that have happened. Whether you're meditating on God or your belly button, it really doesn't matter much. It's the enforced relaxation and side effects from that which actually provide the results. Is that view scientific? Nope, and never claimed it to be.

However, when surrounded by all sorts of mundane and observable, repeatable explainations for things, why create something you can't see, hear, touch, understand to explain them? (that's rhetorical btw)

I am sorry I should have linked to the original study, it was people who were prayed for, not people who pray for themselves.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02177.html

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Prayer can be done like meditation, but it isn't always. There are lots of ways to pray and they don't all involve the same type or degree of mental focus.



The question is made useless by the obvious fact that people didn't observe that praying works to make you better, then decide that there must be a God.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Way to ruin anti-depressants for everyone, Newsweek. Assholes.

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"...the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?" -Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

this!

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Ron Paul 2012

Mental illnesses can can have a depression component.

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"...the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?" -Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

My mental illness (Bipolar 1) has a depression component. But it's difficult to know if I'm actually depressed. There's not a message scrolling across my mind "you're depressed now". I didn't even realize I had a mental illness until relatively recently.

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"The map is not the territory."

Your logic would fail any philosophy class, let alone a science class.

Not p does not imply q.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

And yet when your social circle believes in God, especially during your childhood, it somehow implies to you that God exists. That fails philosophy too. Hmm...

Belief in God is (okay, I'll cover my *** here, "almost") always couched as a matter of faith, though, Lex. It's a belief, not a proof.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

Since you have just said it is not a philosophical matter, there is no reason you should be attacking Aizle for un-philosophically discrediting it.

I wasn't attacking, I was just arguing against his statements, which used the words "disproves" and "evidence" which imply a logical, philosophical, or scientific arena.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades