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She doesn't idolize Mao any more than Bush, Cheney, or any number of conservatives have. Using a quote from a bad person does not equal an endorsement of that person, nor does it equate to some sort of idoloization.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

She called him one of her favorite philosophers.

It certainly indicates she holds him in higher regard than any of the people you mentioned. Citing someone does indicate you think that their opinion is worthy of mention.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

It indicates nothing of the sort. Citing a quote is not an endorsement of the individual who made it. Just because a person is downright evil does not mean that everything they said was inherently incorrect. Pointing that out in no way indicates that a person endorses the evil that individual may have done.


For example -


If I use this quote, I am in no way endorsing Adolf Hitler as an individual, nor am I making any claim about how I feel about him. I am *certainly* not in any way idolizing him, as was claimed by Hannibal originally.

Hitler is, however, quite correct. Even if he was a psychotic evil ****.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Strawman. I didn't say it endoresed them; I said it indictes she holds him in higher regard than people who refuse to quote him.




Which is great if you're using that to point out the dangers of propaganda. IF you're pointing out its virtues, then you're defienitely endorsing his idea on the subject.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

You have absolutely no evidence of that what so ever.




No you aren't. You are quoting someone who was correct. If you then go on to endorse that individual directly, then yes, you have a point. She did not do that. She didn't say "the Great Chairman Mao says...". Bad people can still be correct. Quoting them does not in any way say anything about how you feel about that individual. That is entirely a fabrication of the reader/listener.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Yes I do. I said that the fact that she quoted him indicates that she holds him in higher regard than someone who wouldn't. The fact that she quoted him is the evidence; I don't need evidence for the evidence.




How do you know that either Hitler or Mao was correct?

Proclaiming the person correct; quoting them and using them as an authority, endorses their position on the idea.

By the way I said it was endoring that person's ideas ont he subject, not endorsing them in general. Quit strawmanning; try actually reading before you hit "reply".

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

So if someone told you that Hitler was one of their favorite philosophers, you wouldn't have any issue with it?

I disagree that quoting someone means anything with regard to the quality of the person. You are quoting what they said, not the person. Anyone can say anything prescient.

There is a tendency for "bad" people to say "bad" things. But those people are considered "bad" because they have said "bad" things, not because they are "bad" and therefore by function, say "bad" things. It doesn't mean quoting something worthwhile that someone said is championing, holding in higher regard or doing anything beyond acknowledging that this person said something worthwhile.

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

As is equating modern American conservatism or libertarianism with extremist militia groups. Extremists are extremists. It seems like you have a double standard with your extremists, unfortunately.

Pffft.

Hitler has nothing on Mao when it comes to mass-murder.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

AND Mao got away with it, not online while he was alive, but also by having a decent reputation in history. Hitler had a lot to learn, tsk tsk tsk

Being on the winning sideof the war helps a lot too. Stalin doesn't come off looking as rosy as Mao but usually still better than Hitler.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

The trick to learn here though is to close your boarders and ensure there are no cameras (or commit them before it was invented).

Man, my dream of being a dictator is becoming harder and harder by the day >.<

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,570 ... latestnews

A gunshot was fired at the New Jersey home of CNN's Lou Dobbs after a series of threatening phone calls earlier this month, the host told listeners on his nationally syndicated radio show.

Dobbs, a fervent proponent of U.S. border enforcement, told listeners of "The Lou Dobbs Show" on Monday that the incident is part of an ongoing assault against anyone who opposes amnesty or leniency toward illegal immigrants.

"They've created an atmosphere and they've been unrelenting in their propaganda," Dobbs said in reference to pro-immigration groups like the League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC), the National Council of La Raza and America's Voice. "Three weeks ago this morning, a shot was fired at my house where I live. My wife was standing out and that followed weeks and weeks of threatening phone calls."

Dobbs continued, "But this shot was fired with my wife not, I don't know, 15 feet away, and we had threatening phone calls that I decided not to report because I get threatening phone calls."

Reached early Thursday at her home, Dobbs' wife, Debi Lee Segura, told Foxnews.com that she was outside the house when the shot was fired in her direction. She declined to elaborate, referring calls to Dobbs, who could not be immediately reached for comment.

A spokeswoman for CNN declined to comment Thursday.

New Jersey State Police Sgt. Steve Jones said troopers were called to the Dobbs' estate in rural Wantage, N.J., at about 10:30 a.m. on Oct. 5. The investigators who responded to the call were told that Dobbs and his wife were outside their home when they heard a gunshot, and a bullet struck their attic.

"It struck the siding and then fell to the ground," Jones said.

A search of the vicinity was unsuccessful; the bullet was taken for analysis.

"It's a shot fired that struck the house," Jones continued. "We're not sure what the intended target was. It's still under investigation."

No injuries were reported.

William Gheen, president of Americans for Legal Immigration (ALIPAC), said it's very likely Dobbs' outspokenness on illegal immigration led to the shooting.

"That shot, that attack on the Dobbs family is an attack on every American that values First Amendment rights," Gheen told Foxnews.com. "The chances are greatest that it was political, because pro-amnesty groups have tried to dehumanize Lou Dobbs and lie about him."

Dobbs, who claimed the "national liberal media" has in part created a hostile environment regarding immigration, said enduring such incidents has become a "way of life" for him.

"It's become a way of life — the anger, the hate, the vitriol — but it's taken a different tone where they've threatened my wife," he said Monday. "They've now fired a shot at my house while my wife was standing next to the car.

"It's become something else. And if anybody thinks we're not engaged in a battle for the soul of this country right now, you're sorely mistaken."
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I think some bloggers just creamed their jeans over this.

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

Hannibal,

Unless you are a conservative, violence against others who do not agree with your views is perfectly acceptable. Have you learned nothing from your time in hellfire?

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

It's not acceptable if you're liberal. It's just a very small fringe element that is in no way tied to the rest of that side of the political spectrum.

If you are conservative, then such violence is inherent to the whole conservative system. It's just conservatives are holding themselves back from their secret desires.

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The Dude abides.

I just want to know when Rush ordered Dodd to be killed, since it's only one side who ever uses violence to accomplish anything.

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

Where exactly did you draw this conclusion from? I have yet to find any liberal on this board who would support violence against people who disagreed with them.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Threat of violence, then?

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

Again, I don't know of any liberal that would support a threat of violence against someone who disagreed with them.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

I do. Or at least I used to. Are we talking personal acquiantance here?

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Black Panthers at election locations. Fistfights instigated against people questioning politicians at Town Hall meetings. And those are just recent ones that made headlines.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

You misrepresent that situation. While they were assholes for standing there, their stated purpose was to protect people from being disenfranchised, as they were in the 2004 election in Ohio.



Because, of course, there was *no* antagonism from the screamers there. Nope, none at all.



I'll see your non violent thugs and your instigated brawls and raise you dead people in a Unitarian church, and dead cops gunned down by someone who had been convinced by the NRA that Obama was coming to take their guns away. Or, if you want to just match up, we can talk about Michelle Bachmann's repeated calls for armed revolution. We can talk about the Tea Party protestors and their calls to water the tree of liberty with the blood of patriots and tyrants. Or the guys carrying loaded assault rifles to "peaceful" health care rallies. How about the conservative preachers openly praying for the President's death?

The truth is, even the worst on the left don't hold a candle to what he Right considers to be their bread and butter. Open calls for violence are casual and common on right wing outlets. Comparisons to Nazi Germany are almost like verbs in the rantings of the most prominent conservative commentators.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

and I rest my case... if you are a liberal it is okay, and if you are conservative you are the debbil.

Thank you Monte.

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut