The Glade 4.0

Aside from the non-normal distribution Lenas is discussing, the fact is that the average, sucks. That 10% that is awesome ranges from "still sucks, but not as badly as the average" to "positively Oonagh-like" (and yes, Oonagh does sound like a fantastic teacher.

Quite frankly, a lot of young ladies go into education because they think little kids are cute and they don't have any idea what else to do with themselves.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Yeah, I'm a moron...for the record, I was agreeing with THIS:



I was agreeing with Nev's view of the problem of kids these days not getting the time or recreation or adult attention that they need and continuing a cycle....
I was NOT agreeing with the last part about all these people needing to die or be killed off. And as someone who has personally struggled with a real case of PTSD, I disagree with minimizing that as well.

Apparently, I did not read his whole post before I agreed with him...my apologies.

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"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Jesus of Nazareth

If this is the case, the standard is waaaaaaaaaaaay too low...

I did a search and found it:

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=6303&p=145242&hilit=education#p145242

Also, a normal distribution is not 10-80-10. I don't know why that seems to be the perception of a bell curve.

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And what did you learn from it?

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how many of the people here (besides myself) actually have a child diagnosed ADHD or similar, or have themselves been diagnosed? (Or are regularly exposed to a child with ADHD long term such as a teacher)

ADHD has a number of symptoms & side effects that are less well advertised.
ADHD children typically have impulse control problems
ADHD Children typically display the decision making capacity of a child 2/3rds their age
ADHD children have a higher predisposition to use illegal stimulants

ADHD is primarily thought to be brought on by a lack of dopamine in the brain. Nearly all illegal drugs boost dopamine levels--the brain is SUPPOSED to have 'normal' levels. Not having it, children will find other methods of boosting dopamine, which is why we think they are more prone to drug use. ADHD meds also provide dopamine, (better they get it in a controlled, medically prescribed way)

Many children grow out of youth ADHD, but because of the frustrations brought about by the disorder are already turned off on school, etc so suffer academically. Many children with ADHD find adaptive mechanisms. Not every case of a child with ADHD that isn't treated turns out badly. But a lot of them do.

So how does the average suck DE? What is it that the average teacher does that is bad or terrible?

Both myself and my youngest son.

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In time, this too shall pass.

Not to be a dick, but that sounds like every kid.

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So kids that perform poorly academically 'turn out badly', as though they are failing as individuals? Life isn't all about how well you can focus on math problems when you're 10 years old.

Of course the understood clause at the end of each of those sentences is "when compared to other children their same age" The ADHD standard is not measured against that of a normal adult, its measured against their peers.

That is not at all what I demonstrated.

For starters, the education degrees I posted are not "harder" than a standard degree in that subject. The additional classes that they require above and beyond the required math and science curriculum are all bullshit classes. Furthermore, the science requirements posted on the UMSL site for a secondary education major fall well short of a degree in biology or chemistry. The "physics emphasis" is rather comparable to a traditional Bachelor of Science in Physics, however you may note if you read the thread that I pointed out few high school physics teachers possess such a degree. Most have degrees to be a chemistry or biology teacher.

What I did not post were the requirements for similar teaching degrees from Maryville University, Harris-Stowe State University, Lindenwood University, Webster University, St. Louis University, or any other four-year school in the city that offers degrees in secondary education. The first three in particular are the schools your St. Louis high school teachers are most likely to have received their degrees from, and I don't think any of those institutions actually have Chemistry, Physics, or Biology departments. SLU's secondary education requirements are probably similar to the Wash U. and UMSL requirements I posted in that thread.

Now, that's one city, but most large cities are similar. They have numerous different four-year colleges in them that most people just don't hear about. Sure, a high school teacher with a degree in secondary education from Harvard, MIT, or UMass is probably just as knowledgeable about their particular subject as any other graduate from that school, but most teachers in Boston did not graduate from either of those three schools. Most teachers have what amounts to a teaching degree from ITT Tech.

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My daughter has been diagnosed with a rare variation of it.

Almost certainly my wife would have been diagnosed with it, as my daughter's patterns mimic hers.

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

1. The average teacher is there for the dollar, not the kids. Teachers form unions, which in turn go on strike, and hold childrens' and teenagers' futures hostage. They extort tax money from the average citizen by this means. Just look at this recent claim that teachers ought to be making 6-figure salaries. Where I lived in Ohio, we have teachers demanding their 3% raises despite plummeting property values and rampant unemployment, and holding the citizenry by the ball sack to get it. - never mind that conditions are so bad that Ohio lost so many people it dropped 2 House seats in the census, not one, but two.

2. The reason for this is that the majority of teachers do not care about teaching or kids. They take the major because it seems like an easy way to get a good job, or, in some cases, because they think little kids are cute and don't have any concept of what actually dealing with kids is like.

3. In latter grades, all too many teachers don't really know their subject matter that well; their education is focused on education and the subject matter is an afterthought.

4. This is compounded by the fact that all too many teachers simply have no experience, or very little, in life where they have not been involved in education. They go to school, then college, then get a job teaching, and some summer work or an interim job here and there, and don't really know how the world actually works outside of the education system.

5. Following from this, they do not understand the challenges parents face, often even if they happen to be parents themselves. They don't know how to talk to other adults except other educators, and frequently talk down to the parents, especialyl if they are used to dealing with smaller children. Even if they do happen to be parents themselves, they frequently do not grasp the demands on parents who do not have jobs that provide such ample time off, or hours during the normal mon-fri work week. They issue demands for

6. They are far too impressed with themselves. Everything is all about how much they supposedly care about the children. We see an endless stream of teachers carrying on about buying their own classroom supplies and demanding money from the parents for whatever project strikes them, or demanding more taxes, yet the aforementioned raises always seem to have to come first.

7. They do not effectively prevent bullying, and are perfectly willing to tolerate ridiculous underpayment of substitute teachers. Discipline problems are frequently misdiagnosed and blame mislaid and students run wild when the teacher is not present.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

The claim was that good teachers should be making six figure salaries. Now, were we playing the game of read between the lines, I wouldn't argue with your interpretation, but that isn't what was actually said. The actual quote, that good teachers should make such a salary, is not at all preposterous. It's probably also worth considering that the quote does not specify a particular subset of "teachers." I can think of a few teachers who probably already do earn six figures annually. They aren't all worth that much, but I can't get behind the sentiment that none of them are.

The problem is that primary and secondary school teachers as a group are not willing to accept that there are two sides to that coin. Paying good teachers a salary commensurate with their performance means you have to do the same for the bad teachers. The public school system doesn't want to acknowledge that one teacher can be worth that much more than their colleagues. There would also be some problems with scheduling classes. Can imagine the kind of hell parents would raise if their children were put in biology taught by the $30,000/yr teacher instead of the $90,000/yr teacher? Somebody's children would clearly not be getting the best education that school had to offer.

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It really is pretty preposterous that a "good" teacher needs to be making a six figure salary especially since A) the person speaking undoubtedly envisions far too large a proportion of teachers being good B) that seems to carry with it the assumption that a lot of less good teachers would also see pay increases merely for being adequate or even poor but acceptable teachers C) it is indictive of a rate of inflation that, while another matter, is not healthy and D) even if we had more reasonable standards for a "good" teacher, very few of them would be worth that much.



I fully agree with this. I would argue that the fact is that people simply must be told that if their child lacks potential or refuses to perform, they will get the shitty teacher..

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

The break-down, unless you happen to advocate that larger bureaucracies and more centralized control away from the individual community level, would leave the wealthier communities as the natural homes for the best teachers, as they are the only ones who could likely afford many of their salaries.

Wealthier communities schools would likely be filled with a staff of teachers who were all approaching exceptional with very few exceptions.

Inner cities would still get the dregs.

I have no issue with this, as I generally believe people should receive what they can afford to pay for, but it would never happen because of the liberalism of the education structure.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

What constitutes a 'good' teacher is extremely subjective.

Attractive females between the ages of 22 and 29 who are willing to blow me on parent-teacher night, and who are cool enough to be discrete about it afterwards?

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

Best. Quote. Ever.

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Works for me!

In some regards, yes. In other regards, not so much at all.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Thanks for the response DE.

So is a good secretary or a good chef.

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