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Thats "Stalker-Man, Sir" to you.

No, boy fits.

really? you're down to name calling again?



Is there a problem? I was just being descriptive. Never did get an answer to why my being banned before was so important.

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They felt there was a rules violation and wanted action.


As evidenced by the 0 reports the post generated.



Doesn't do any good to report posts anymore.

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evidence that your behavior as an undesirable individual is documented.


Undesirable would be your opinion. If we banned folks who were undesirable, I'm sure you would have been gone a long time ago. More like, I broke rules and got punished.

Good try though.

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Arafys, things don't exist in a vacuum. What she posted on "page 10 in this thread" was just her finally declaring openly, after all this time, that she feels it is a duty to do such things.


Granted.

And perhaps that is a douchebaggy way to be. I'm not a fan of religion myself, as I'm sure everyone here knows. But I believe that it has a purpose for those people that choose to believe whatever they believe.

I'm sure she has her reasons. I'll not speak to them as its not my place, nor do I know really what they are.

/shrug.

Mostly, I'm saying that the original perceived insult shouldn't have caused this upheaval. Straw? Camel? Taskiss? OMG....

Speaking of Taskiss... has anyone seen him today? I do believe he may be suffering from a broken back ;)

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Nah, he's just got a life, or something. :)

Not even close DE.

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Nah, he's just got a life, or something. :)

Not even close DE.


I thought I had some insider information, but oh well.

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Lol, when that happens to me, I usually lose money.

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I try to avoid THAT kind of insider information.

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What was insulting was the fact that, (not unlike a teenager) you had to stick your nose into the Easter thread (Bery's douchebaggery notwithstanding) and do it THERE.

You can't disassociate Bery's douchebaggery from the thread, though. He intentionally secularized a tribute to religious sacrifice just to obtain a pulpit for his corrupted version of Christianity.

That's been his modus operandi for the last .. what, 10 years? As long as I've been here, anyway. He'd **** on a thread with little cross shaped turds, apologize and claim to be only human... then mount a pulpit and defend his position based on his "Bible according to Bery". Over and over, for YEARS.

I started off defending him vigorously, and admired his unbending belief in God. For years I would side with him in his constant attempts to prove his moral superiority over Taly and others.

Then, after years of that, I noticed that he created the furor so he could play his game, and for a while I held Christianity to blame... because when Bery spoke, he spoke for all Christians, and if a Christian questioned his behavior, the God help the less devout because Bery spoke for God. Always he escalated the source of his authority... his arguments were based at a level just above whomever he argued with and no argument could stand when Bery was channeling his master. So, I held all Christians to blame for his asshattery. Those folks who gotta let you know within 30 seconds of meeting then that they were "christians" and all devout and going to heaven and ****? Yeah, they were "christians" alright. Right down to their toes.

But there were really good folks that just went through their days doing really good things and their actions spoke louder than words...folks who would actually help ... and love and care and pray for others. And by their works they were known. Good people, good acts, good results. So, I came to understand that it wasn't Christians I had a problem with, it was folks that had bad results... and looking deeper I noticed the acts weren't good either, they just gave the impression of being good... and the people weren't good either, they were in it for something for themselves.

It's evil. What else can you call something that weakens Christianity for it's own agenda?

So, DE, I don't see how you can ascribe responsibility to anyone other than the architect of this little crapfest. It's his baby, it's ugly, and it's the fruit of his efforts.

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evidence that your behavior as an undesirable individual is documented.


Undesirable would be your opinion. If we banned folks who were undesirable, I'm sure you would have been gone a long time ago. More like, I broke rules and got punished.

Good try though.


We ban those who break the rules as undesirable-- ie we dont want people here breaking the rules.
I follow the rules. ergo, I have not been banned. We dont consider people with differing opinions (even those in the minority) as undesirable. we label those who break the rules a undesirable.

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[I follow the rules. ergo, I have not been banned.

I really don't follow the rules and I've never been banned...heck, I've only been warned once, years ago. The only rules I follow are my rules of civility - treat folks the way they deserve to be treated.

Kinda shoots big gaping holes in your theory.

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TheRiov wrote:
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evidence that your behavior as an undesirable individual is documented.


Undesirable would be your opinion. If we banned folks who were undesirable, I'm sure you would have been gone a long time ago. More like, I broke rules and got punished.

Good try though.


We ban those who break the rules as undesirable-- ie we dont want people here breaking the rules.
I follow the rules. ergo, I have not been banned. We dont consider people with differing opinions (even those in the minority) as undesirable. we label those who break the rules a undesirable.

Keep working at it.



Nice try. Just because you haven't been reported doesn't mean you didn't break the rules at one point or another. You may say you haven't but you certainly could have qualified at one time or another.

As far as undesirable, again, that's opinion. There have been times where I was suspended or banned and certain people wanted me back. That would make me, DEsirable. So if we go by undesirable or desirable, then folks could come and go all the time. So, as I said last time. I broke rules, I got punished. That's something I can deal with. I've always been one to admit to the things I've done wrong. One can be very undesirable(such as you on many occasions) and not be banned.

Keep trying though. Hey I know, take a break and stalk some woman who finds YOU undesirable(something you should be familiar with) and then come back and see if that helps you figure things out.

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So, DE, I don't see how you can ascribe responsibility to anyone other than the architect of this little crapfest. It's his baby, it's ugly, and it's the fruit of his efforts.


Mainly because his asshattery wasn't the reason people came into the thread to troll. No one really even notied it except Khross. His behavior after they did was just as you describe because that's Bery, but it didn't inspire the questions about "brainwashing your kids". That was in response to a comment by Screeling.

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Perhaps you shouldn't have put in the explicit rules about insulting people based on religion, then.


Off-color or blasphemous jokes are not insulting a religion. Hell, the joke itself wasn't even insulting to Jesus. It was a play on the words "He is risen."


You know what, you're actually correct about this. It really wasn't all THAT insulting, in and of itself. In fact, it was barely noticeable on the "insulting" scale, mainly due to it's sheer silliness.

What was insulting was the fact that, (not unlike a teenager) you had to stick your nose into the Easter thread (Bery's douchebaggery notwithstanding) and do it THERE. All this bullshit about how awful you think it is to show respect for opinions you don't like, and despite the attempt to compare yourself to Carlin (who was a **** anyhow) is really just an attempt to justify the antics we'd normally expect of a 13-year-old boy.

As someone else asked, do you poke your head into actual churches and do this sort of thing? No? Probably because sooner or later you might get your *** kicked because regardless of the merits or lack thereof of your "joke" (which was not really terribly funny, clever, or creative) sticking your nose in somewhere and disrupting things is just an ******* thing to do, and then telling people to lighten up or trying to aggrandize your own cleverness later is just a smoke screen for poor social behavior.

Really what you did was no different than the kids that occasionally ride by my wife and I in the park and yell "NICE TITS!!" at her, and just about as clever. What's hilarious to them isn't my wife's tits, it's the fact that they're juveniles on bikes and I'm an adult on foot, so I really can't do much of anything about it, much like you can be pretty much assured no one is going to actually do anything about your asshattery here on the board.

As for "not caring if you offend anyone", that seems unlikely as well. You do care. You really WANT people to be insulted, just so that you can then make a big deal out of them being insulted. In that regard, pretty much all of us are guilty of taking the bait. Then you can chortle to yourself about how you got people all riled up. It's not because we "need it" or "it's a good thing" because you're far too intelligent to think snotty comments are going to change the minds of the equally intelligent Christians. It's about satisfying your own personal issues with religion, especially Christianity.



I somehow missed this post the first time through. I don't agree with it all (calling Carlin a **** is insulting my religion! You need to be banned!), but it's not that far off the mark in many places. As for whether I'd really do it...well, I told you about that in PMs. Heh.

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So, DE, I don't see how you can ascribe responsibility to anyone other than the architect of this little crapfest. It's his baby, it's ugly, and it's the fruit of his efforts.


Mainly because his asshattery wasn't the reason people came into the thread to troll. No one really even notied it except Khross. His behavior after they did was just as you describe because that's Bery, but it didn't inspire the questions about "brainwashing your kids". That was in response to a comment by Screeling.



This. I didn't see the link either. Then Bery dug his own grave.

The Bery stuff is separate from Taly and Riov's crap.

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Off-color or blasphemous jokes are not insulting a religion. Hell, the joke itself wasn't even insulting to Jesus. It was a play on the words "He is risen."


You know what, you're actually correct about this. It really wasn't all THAT insulting, in and of itself. In fact, it was barely noticeable on the "insulting" scale, mainly due to it's sheer silliness.

What was insulting was the fact that, (not unlike a teenager) you had to stick your nose into the Easter thread (Bery's douchebaggery notwithstanding) and do it THERE. All this bullshit about how awful you think it is to show respect for opinions you don't like, and despite the attempt to compare yourself to Carlin (who was a **** anyhow) is really just an attempt to justify the antics we'd normally expect of a 13-year-old boy.

As someone else asked, do you poke your head into actual churches and do this sort of thing? No? Probably because sooner or later you might get your *** kicked because regardless of the merits or lack thereof of your "joke" (which was not really terribly funny, clever, or creative) sticking your nose in somewhere and disrupting things is just an ******* thing to do, and then telling people to lighten up or trying to aggrandize your own cleverness later is just a smoke screen for poor social behavior.

Really what you did was no different than the kids that occasionally ride by my wife and I in the park and yell "NICE TITS!!" at her, and just about as clever. What's hilarious to them isn't my wife's tits, it's the fact that they're juveniles on bikes and I'm an adult on foot, so I really can't do much of anything about it, much like you can be pretty much assured no one is going to actually do anything about your asshattery here on the board.

As for "not caring if you offend anyone", that seems unlikely as well. You do care. You really WANT people to be insulted, just so that you can then make a big deal out of them being insulted. In that regard, pretty much all of us are guilty of taking the bait. Then you can chortle to yourself about how you got people all riled up. It's not because we "need it" or "it's a good thing" because you're far too intelligent to think snotty comments are going to change the minds of the equally intelligent Christians. It's about satisfying your own personal issues with religion, especially Christianity.



I somehow missed this post the first time through. I don't agree with it all, but it's not that far off the mark in many places. As for whether I'd really do it...well, I told you about that in PMs. Heh.

Especially the part about his wife's boobs not being funny.

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We ban those who break the rules as undesirable-- ie we dont want people here breaking the rules.
I follow the rules. ergo, I have not been banned. We dont consider people with differing opinions (even those in the minority) as undesirable. we label those who break the rules a undesirable.

Keep working at it.


You seem to forget that the rules in question don't exist anymore, and that the ban in question was in part related to one specific other poster and the mutual antagonism therein.

Keep working at it.

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Especially the part about his wife's boobs not being funny.


Whenever Lenas is done punching you in the face it's my turn.

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Didn't say you were stalking someone.

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Especially the part about his wife's boobs not being funny.


Whenever Lenas is done punching you in the face it's my turn.


Naw, them are some *serious* titties ;)

Glad to see your back is uninjured Mr. Camel ;)

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take a break and stalk some woman who finds YOU undesirable(something you should be familiar with)


Ohhhh. so you are implying that I should be used to women finding me undesirable?

This is getting to be just silly. Seriously. Have I insulted you once?


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