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In an ironic twist, climate change might reduce the impact of this virus significantly as warmer temperatures are contributing to a shorter cold and flu season.

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For those interested in the original topic of this thread, here is a rather long-form essay debunking the influence of Russian Trolls in the 2016 election.

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The corporate media could have a hand in helping, but reducing the effect effect of propaganda isn't their agenda.

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Hopwin wrote:
For those interested in the original topic of this thread, here is a rather long-form essay debunking the influence of Russian Trolls in the 2016 election.

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Strikingly, only about 10 percent of the content that Russian trolls circulated during the three-year period was overtly political to the point of mentioning specific candidates; the rest was intended to galvanize people around group identities, to exacerbate distrust, and to sow social divisions around fundamental questions of who and what America is for.


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Indeed, appropriating real content allowed the Russian meddlers to operate subtly—to the point that the extent of their influence stayed concealed for a full year after the 2016 election.


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Savvy political actors—including, yes, the Russians—had a deep understanding of the factional nature of the social internet, and how to take advantage of it.


This is debunking? They quite clearly state throughout the article that the Russians were involved (as were many other actors and domestic elements who ran with what the Russians and others provided). The "debunking" part is that this time around, everyone is focused on external actors, when we have just as much factionalism and separatism without any outside help, tyvm.

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Aethien wrote:
Hopwin wrote:
For those interested in the original topic of this thread, here is a rather long-form essay debunking the influence of Russian Trolls in the 2016 election.

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Strikingly, only about 10 percent of the content that Russian trolls circulated during the three-year period was overtly political to the point of mentioning specific candidates; the rest was intended to galvanize people around group identities, to exacerbate distrust, and to sow social divisions around fundamental questions of who and what America is for.


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Indeed, appropriating real content allowed the Russian meddlers to operate subtly—to the point that the extent of their influence stayed concealed for a full year after the 2016 election.


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Savvy political actors—including, yes, the Russians—had a deep understanding of the factional nature of the social internet, and how to take advantage of it.


This is debunking? They quite clearly state throughout the article that the Russians were involved (as were many other actors and domestic elements who ran with what the Russians and others provided). The "debunking" part is that this time around, everyone is focused on external actors, when we have just as much factionalism and separatism without any outside help, tyvm.


Well it has been almost two months since I posted that long article but from my recollection....

Yes, it seems pretty obvious that an enormous echo chamber of American fools already existed and were generating and sharing the content among themselves. The Russians were just another retweeter and there were not even that many accounts, with the overwhelming majority of the content being shared by "Your Insane Aunt/Uncle on Facebook".

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https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/05/fbi-set-up-michael-flynn-to-preserve-trump-russia-probe/

The entire case laid out.

The FBI is a rogue agency, promoting the most egotistical of its members who feel entitled to do whatever they please under this idea that they need to be "independent".

It should be kept in mind when reading this that the author was insisting 3 years ago that nothing of this sort could possibly happen, it simply wasn't done, and it all meant deep trouble. It doesn't establish the case that Flynn plead guilty on purpose to expose anything, but it's about as bad for the FBI as it could be. Some sort of structural revision needs to take place to prevent this although I am not prepared to say what that should look like right now.

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It seems this is done. All that's left is attempts to bewail it's end as "politicization!" and the "danger to the rule of law!" but the entire Russia investigation affair and everything related to it was exactly that, several orders of magnitude greater, and defended at length by a credulous press and the sense of entitlement to permanent victory that leftist voters seem to have in spades. It really is worse than Watergate, but the press has totally abandoned its responsibilities in its combinatin of individual narcissism and collective lust for the power of being an unelected fourth branch of government.

The attempts elsewhere to defend this state of affairs, or to claim that somehow "but he pled guilty!" (after the rampant abuses, right up to coming up with secret deals with his lawyers behind his back) are simply tiresome at this point. Anyone even remotely trying to defend the Obama administration, the FBI, or claim "but Flynn pled..." or anything even SLIGHTLY related, as far as I'm concerned, really does not deserve to have legal protections, since they obviously mean nothing as soon as its politically convenient. You may be legally and constitutionally entitled to them... but you don't **** deserve them. The same thing goes for your idiot views and bad opinions.

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Diamondeye wrote:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/05/fbi-set-up-michael-flynn-to-preserve-trump-russia-probe/

The entire case laid out.

The FBI is a rogue agency, promoting the most egotistical of its members who feel entitled to do whatever they please under this idea that they need to be "independent".

It should be kept in mind when reading this that the author was insisting 3 years ago that nothing of this sort could possibly happen, it simply wasn't done, and it all meant deep trouble. It doesn't establish the case that Flynn plead guilty on purpose to expose anything, but it's about as bad for the FBI as it could be. Some sort of structural revision needs to take place to prevent this although I am not prepared to say what that should look like right now.



Sure Jan. It's all laid out. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Hey Rynar, did the storm ever come or are we waiting until after this election now?

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Hey Rynar, did the storm ever come or are we waiting until after this election now?

I don't think it will be as spectacular as Rynar thought, but it's looking kind of ugly for anyone Mr. Durham is investigating. Hopefully he will be finished in time.

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Hey Rynar, did the storm ever come or are we waiting until after this election now?

I don't think it will be as spectacular as Rynar thought, but it's looking kind of ugly for anyone Mr. Durham is investigating. Hopefully he will be finished in time.


Last I saw people were fleeing that ship as it becomes more apparent Barr has given up any sense of right, wrong or lawfulness.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/ ... 791381002/

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Last I saw people were fleeing that ship as it becomes more apparent Barr has given up any sense of right, wrong or lawfulness.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/ ... 791381002/


That lady was apparently there for a specific job, and resigned because it was finished.

I see no problem whatsoever with Barr's conduct.

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No commentary on Trump refusal to commit to a peaceful transition of power and threatening to destroy the ballots?


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No commentary on Trump refusal to commit to a peaceful transition of power and threatening to destroy the ballots?


I don't take malapropisms hyperliterally. When GWB was in office, his verbal missteps were regarded as simply evidence of inarticulateness, which was supposed to be some sort of disaster at the time. How quaint that now seems.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/t ... -of-power/

I won't defend it as some sort of high-quality answer to the question. It was a terrible answer. But it was not a threat to either hold power or destroy ballots, and anyone who thinks it is, is a moron.

The Left is a far greater threat to election integrity with its endless attempts to create unsecure means of voting. I'm far more worried about some random Democrat postman dumping boxes of ballots in the river if they're from Republican-heavy ZIP codes.

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Let's face it, Democrats have been losing their **** over Republican presidents since the first one took away all their slaves. And the only presidential candidate talking about black people in chains is Joe Biden. Seriously, what kind of racist would try to stop Donald Trump from beating this guy?

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lol, Someone tell Biden not only black people are poor.

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Donald Trump has been asked on six different occasions to commit to a peaceful transfer of power and on each occasion has steadfastly refused. Even the Senate has rebuked him by passing a resolution reaffirming a commitment to a peaceful transfer of power. Yet here we are trying to chalk it up to misspeaking? Gymnastics.

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Donald Trump has been asked on six different occasions to commit to a peaceful transfer of power and on each occasion has steadfastly refused. Even the Senate has rebuked him by passing a resolution reaffirming a commitment to a peaceful transfer of power. Yet here we are trying to chalk it up to misspeaking? Gymnastics.

I think you're unfamiliar with how a normal person would reply to that question vs how a politician would reply.

A normal person would say "What does that even mean.. a 'peaceful transition of power'? If you are asking that if you try to roll me over and expect me to give up without a fight when I think you cheated, then hells no!"

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a politician who would poll the least objectionable answer and give that, even though it would be a lie. Hang your chad over there if you don't agree with me.

It all goes back to Hillary's "Failure to accept the election results is a direct threat to our democracy" when she preemptively was accusing Trump of not accepting what were to be the results of the 2016 election. I don't see the DNC or anyone else trying to get her to shut up about how "she really didn't lose" so the country can accept the election results.

**** the bastards. Let them know you'll be coming for them if they trot out the dirty tricks.

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Donald Trump has been asked on six different occasions to commit to a peaceful transfer of power and on each occasion has steadfastly refused. Even the Senate has rebuked him by passing a resolution reaffirming a commitment to a peaceful transfer of power. Yet here we are trying to chalk it up to misspeaking? Gymnastics.


The question is an attempt to disguise "will you commit to conceding on election night, no matter what shenanigans we try to pull?" as "do you intend to try to remain in power by force." It is an utterly unserious question, and demands no serious answer. Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton still hasn't accepted the results of the 2016 election, doesn't want Joe Biden to concede for any reason, and half the country seems to think "resist" is how you deal with losing an election, so asking for a pre-emptive surrender commitment for a side that is just aching for mail-in balloting so Democrats can discover extra votes in their car trunks when its convenient is more than a bit preposterous - and hypocritical on a level that exceeds the norm for politics, which is saying a lot.

There is no means by which Trump can do so. As of noon on Inauguration Day he is no longer the President - whoever won the election is (even if it's him; his two terms, legally, are separate and distinct from one another.) so I don't know why you think he'd have any means to actually accomplish this even if he wanted to. Anyone who thinks the Secret Service is going to accommodate this is either an idiot or being deliberately insulting. Donald Trump knows this; any assertion to the contrary is 100% unserious attribution to him of traits the speaker wants him to have.

This is right up there with the latest nonsense about the Proud Boys who A) are not white supremacists B) ARE perfectly ridiculous and C) are not anyone he had any particular reason to be familiar with before Tuesday. This is more attempts to generate a crisis by people who are asking "will you condemn white supremacy" with no intention whatsoever of accepting ANY condemnation as sufficient.

If Trump is making a mistake, it is the fact that he has failed to say exactly that in so many words.

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STOP. Just STOP. God! Do you understand how idiotic you sound?

NEARLY EVERY SINGLE ATTEMPT TO **** WITH THE ELECTIONS HAS BEEN FROM THE RIGHT.

Voter intimidation. Postal Slowdowns. Shutting down of early voting. threats to post police at poling places in violation of election law. Stripping of voter rolls. Defunding and discrediting the USPS. Mass Gerrymandering. Refusal to even address that EVERY intelligence agency has given reports that Multiple foreign powers are working to manipulate the election for Donald J. Trump. Hell, Trump even TOLD people to vote twice.

(in fairness, the Left does do a bit of Gerrymandering, but multiple studies have shown Republicans do it to a much greater degree)

All of the ridiculous conspiracy theories that the tin-foil hat wearing community on this board spout about Q-Anon, the deep state and Pizza-gate that you guys buy into and yet there is RECORDED AND VERIFIED PHONE CALLS that were made public where Trump is actively soliciting foreign aid to help him win re-election.


You don't have to read some shadowy report and end up with some yarn - covered - tackboard full of secret photos to spot this conspiracy. Its right there in front of your face and you refuse to believe it.

You somehow come to the conclusion that a man who has cheated and lied about EVERYTHING from his taxes, to his relationships, to his business partners, his contractors, is somehow playing it totally straight when it comes to the election and the American people??

There only two possibilities.

You are being completely dishonest because you don't have the emotional maturity to admit you're wrong.

OR

You are incapable of separating your Conservatives=GOOD ideology from your ability to process information.

You're a smart guy Diamondeye, but STOP STOP STOP. I beg you, have a long **** conversation with inner child, go on a vision quest or SOMETHING that leads to some level of self realization that lets you get past this cognitive dissonance.


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STOP. Just STOP. God! Do you understand how idiotic you sound?

NEARLY EVERY SINGLE ATTEMPT TO **** WITH THE ELECTIONS HAS BEEN FROM THE RIGHT.

Voter intimidation. Postal Slowdowns. Shutting down of early voting. threats to post police at poling places in violation of election law. Stripping of voter rolls. Defunding and discrediting the USPS. Mass Gerrymandering. Refusal to even address that EVERY intelligence agency has given reports that Multiple foreign powers are working to manipulate the election for Donald J. Trump. Hell, Trump even TOLD people to vote twice.

(in fairness, the Left does do a bit of Gerrymandering, but multiple studies have shown Republicans do it to a much greater degree)

All of the ridiculous conspiracy theories that the tin-foil hat wearing community on this board spout about Q-Anon, the deep state and Pizza-gate that you guys buy into and yet there is RECORDED AND VERIFIED PHONE CALLS that were made public where Trump is actively soliciting foreign aid to help him win re-election.


You don't have to read some shadowy report and end up with some yarn - covered - tackboard full of secret photos to spot this conspiracy. Its right there in front of your face and you refuse to believe it.

You somehow come to the conclusion that a man who has cheated and lied about EVERYTHING from his taxes, to his relationships, to his business partners, his contractors, is somehow playing it totally straight when it comes to the election and the American people??

There only two possibilities.

You are being completely dishonest because you don't have the emotional maturity to admit you're wrong.

OR

You are incapable of separating your Conservatives=GOOD ideology from your ability to process information.

You're a smart guy Diamondeye, but STOP STOP STOP. I beg you, have a long **** conversation with inner child, go on a vision quest or SOMETHING that leads to some level of self realization that lets you get past this cognitive dissonance.


You seriously expect this incoherent rant to change my mind about something? Nice meltdown. I don't know why I'd go have any conversation with my "inner child" when clearly, I can just talk to you and get the same thing. Also, please Windex your monitor, and I hope your keyboard isn't too badly damaged from the pounding.

Everything you listed above is either your distortion of the facts (you have not a single quote or link from ANY source, much less reliable ones) or simply something leftists have imagined up by framing any of the numerous attempts to stuff the ballot boxes. That is, when your side is not displaying its complete and total incompetence, like in Iowa this past Caucus.

Oh - but it just so happens I do have a source:

Democrats can't competently run an election even in a state they basically own.

Here's a few gems:

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The latest fiasco is that New York City is re-sending 100,000 absentee ballots to Brooklyn voters – out of 140,000 sent so far to voters in the borough – due to envelopes with printing errors that listed an incorrect name or address. A Rochester vendor was blamed. Thus far, the Board of Elections has focused its response on trying to inform voters why they are receiving a second ballot, which leaves open the question of what happens if they send back both – perhaps having voted differently on two ballots. Some Board of Elections sources argue that the ballots are sufficiently ID-coded to avoid both being counted.


"Some have argued." They aren't even SURE they can prevent both ballots being counted in a situation where people might vote twice due to their own ineptitude.

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This was too much incompetence even for Mayor de Blasio: “It’s appalling,…I don’t know how many times we’re going to see the same thing happen at the Board of Elections and be surprised.”


A direct quote from De Blasio, so we can dispense right now with any pretense that National Review (which is a trustworthy site as to the facts, regardless of its partisanship) is making this up. He's on the record saying it.

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Governor Andrew Cuomo has tried to intervene to get the Board to re-send only the envelopes, not new ballots, leading to counter-charges from fellow Democrats that his proposal would “disenfranchise” voters who were stuck with only one ballot.From the link associated with Cuomo's quote:
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State Sen. Zellnor Myrie blasted the idea as word began to leak out. “We are hearing reports that @NYGovCuomo wants to prevent the @BOENYC from rectifying the issue by stopping them from sending corrected ballots,” he wrote on Twitter. “This is straight-up disenfranchisement and an affront to our democracy. The vendor screwed up and is trying to fix it. Let them!”


The envelopes are where the printing error occurred, but we need to send out corrected ballots as well, even tough people... can vote in person.

Disenfranchise voters.

Who got only one ballot.

Go gaslight somewhere else. I wouldn't have even bothered, but the hilarity of this unhinged rant of yours on the same day that a Democrat politician claims that not getting MORE THAN ONE BALLOT EVEN WHEN YOU CAN ALSO VOTE IN PERSON is "disenfranchising" people is a riot. It's innovative, though. I'm sure that it'll be a great way to complain Ohio or Florida was "stolen."

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You'll never see the other side, so just go away. I mean how much condescending assholery is DE willing to take before it's apparent he should just mute you. There's no conversation there. It's a demand. "Stop saying things I don't like." **** off. The child is you. YMMV.

I've had plenty of good natured convos with people I disagree with, your bullshit is just annoying and pitiful and IMO not worth engaging with. That's just what my years of arguing on the internet has taught me.

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It's a demand. "Stop saying things I don't like." **** off. The child is you. YMMV.


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It's the second unhinged rant, and the third in my presence, from a lefty in the last week. The other one directed at me fled in shame from TeamSpeak after having it pointed out that she's kicked other people from the chat for telling people "go **** yourself" or the equivalent. The other one was on our church facebook page, and was from someone who apparently thinks that whether they attend outdoor services ought to be tied to the election results. My wife forbade me to get involved, and in retrospect, arguing with elderly people on their moral high horse isn't worth it.

I just don't even know what the ****.

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