The Glade 4.0

You know, I'm glad I live in a state where premeditation has to occur before the **** crime. You see, RangerDave, that's what you and Foamy missed about the "premeditated" part ... the meditation happened, assuming Foamy's statements to be true, during the crime. Not before ... during.

God I hate criminal prosecutors almost as much as I hate law enforcement in the United States in general.

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Meh. Its just easier to... I dunno.. NOT MURDER PEOPLE.

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Holy shitsnacks!

I'm Lord Doom; calling crimes like this premeditated denigrates whatever plans I have for this Cosmic Cube.

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Looking at the testimony the idea of premeditated murder is entirely plausible. His brother just happened to go the wrong way on a street in front of a cop with mumia just happening to be nearby, with the same caliber firearm used, etc. Id say the evidence of the case as presented by both sides shows him lying in wait to kill a cop. Any cop.

Murder 1 is what was more easily proved.

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

You should know how common a .38 was in 1981 Hannibal.

People who grew up in the same town, went to the same college, met each other for the first time in another nation on another continent.

To say it was suspicious was to pretend you've never bumped into someone you knew in the city.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Any singular item in the case could be explained that way. All of them together shows the premeditation. And again his guilt isn't in question. Neither was the sentance or verdict. The defense tossed up a political hail Mary to some judges who were on record as being anti death penalty and it stuck. So instead of being drug through the case again and give the scumbag a forum for his BS the prosecution decided to let him rot in jail instead of starting another 30 year appeal process.

Its another example of why the justice system is broken. You've said it yourself in other threads. Judges don't like to contradict each other.

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

His guilt is in question in my eyes. I am not in the habit of letting other people make up my decisions for me let alone letting people I've never met do it.

I agree that much in the legal handling of the appeals process regarding this case has been in error (and especially this last decision regarding unanimity but that is far different than stating that guilt is a given.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Maybe I've gone over the case more than you. Foamy linked some stuff on this years ago and I was interested in it. IMO he is guilty so naturally I'm starting from a different point than you are.

Death or life I really only have an interest as a taxpayer. But the gaming of the legal system is what's really pissing me off. Justice is supposed to be blind, but it never is. Its about your appearance, political perceptions about you and media visibility.

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

Thanks for the better legal definintion of premeditation.

This was an open and shut case. The trial was a huge circus thanks to Mumia himself. He got himself thrown out of the court many times from the initial hearing all the was through to the sentencing. This case was unique in the fact that there was SO MUCH evidence against him that the jury had little difficulty seeing through his charade and convicting and sentencing him so quickly.

There has been nothing that leads me to believe that there was evidence tampering, police corruption or racial bias in this case. These are just the angles that the Mumia defense team has been working over the past 30 years to try to wriggle him out on some technicality.

The death sentence was appealed and overturned finally because of the number of words between "Unanimous" and "mitigating", or some such nonsense.

Mumia was a Black Panther and a MOVE supporter. He wanted to kill a cop, and that is exactly what he did. There is plenty of speculation (though it can't be proven) that him and his brother planned the ambush. William Cook happened to be driving the wrong way down a one way street at 4:00am in a dangerous area in the city with a heavy police presence, while his brother (Mumia) waited in his taxicab across the street. Coincidence perhaps, but there is all too much of a possibility, given Mumia's background, that it was planned exactly as it ended up happening.

Mumia is guilty, no question in my mind. This has been upheld several times over in court. He needs to rot away in prison and fade into non-existence, but it will not happen. Today, at a Pro-Mumia event in Philadelphia at the Constitution Center, he will be giving a live address (LIVE ADDRESS) from prison. This is the notoriety and special treatment this murderer has gained for himself. THis disgusts me more than anything. He deserves no special treatment any more than any murderer does (Cop killer or otherwise, it doesn't matter). He is filth and the idiot masses who blindly support him need to educate themselves rather than just spout off about anti-establishment and Offing Pigs because they are representatives of a corrupt system.

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This must be Thursday. I could never get the hang of Thursdays.

I don't see anything damning about having been a Black Panther.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Then either your eyes were wide shut last night or you choose to ignore the evidence presented that the black panthers SPECIFICALLY espoused cop killing as part of their ideology.

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This must be Thursday. I could never get the hang of Thursdays.

You say that like some folks might think it's a bad idea.

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In time, this too shall pass.

Or I know more about the Black Panthers that was shown in the movie you admitted was nothing more than propaganda.

You know the same non False Dilemma as when they said that the only options existed for his brother are to testify (which means Y) or not to testify (which means X)?

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

So then prove to me that the Black Panthers were not about violence toward law enforcement.

Is what we saw in that film about the Black Panthers (violence toward pigs, as they so loving called them) false? Do you think I know nothing? That my opinion and knowledge of the BPP comes only from that one source? They were a violent cop hating group. Show me something that disproves that.

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This must be Thursday. I could never get the hang of Thursdays.

I have no idea about the fairness of his trial or who he killed, I've never heard of him. I'm just against capital punishment as an option for the state.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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Oh, c'mon... You didn't actually write this, did you?

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

He wrote it!

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Was it just for the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto to shoot at those coming to remove them who were officers of the law?

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

I give up. You all win.

I'm out. **** this place.

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This must be Thursday. I could never get the hang of Thursdays.

Did the Jews of the Warsaw ghetto openly and publicly profess their desire to kill officers of the law and the lengths they will go to do so?

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

**** you, Rynar and Khross.

Elmo:

You are too good of a friend to say **** off too, but I don't appreciate your apparent disdain for my opinions.

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This must be Thursday. I could never get the hang of Thursdays.

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Someone give the man a Midol.

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Foamy:

Disagreement and debate don't equal disdain for you. People argue here...rather viciously at times. This thread is rather tame by comparison. If you don't want people strongly disagreeing with your opinions, you probably shouldn't read this forum. We ALL have at least a little disdain for someone else's opinions somewhere on this board.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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By the way ... I will say this: Mumia Abu Jamal is several orders of magnitude less deserving of death than another party involved in this whole mess.

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Foamy: If you can't defend your positions from public scrutiny maybe you should not state them publicly.

I've told you it would be disrespectful to you to treat you in argument differently than anyone else. I did not lie to you.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville