The Glade 4.0

Just out of curiousity, if enough heteros refused to serve that recruitment needs cannot be met, would anyone here be happy to see the draft re-instated?

Just out of curiousity, if enough heteros refused to serve that recruitment needs cannot be met, would anyone here be happy to see the draft re-instated?

Just out of curiousity, if enough heteros refused to serve that recruitment needs cannot be met, would anyone here be happy to see the draft re-instated?

19 Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt. 20 There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.

Conscription has no place in a free society. If a free society ever reaches a stage where it can no longer recruit enough citizens to defend their own freedom, then they don't deserve to have anyone else be forced to defend it for them.

19 Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt. 20 There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.

Which is exactly what they deserve.

I believe his statement should be interpreted as the individual that has to be forced to defend his own freedom, rather than volunteer to protect it, doesn't deserve any sympathy when that freedom is taken away by some one else.

That isn't collectivist that I can see.

19 Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt. 20 There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.

Well, there is the problem that the general lack of volunteers also screws over the people that ARE willing to fight to defend their freedoms.

19 Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt. 20 There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.

Not to mention that nearly every "free country" that has ever existed has been forced at one time or another to draft to protect their borders. There are some exceptions to this, such as Switzerland, some recently "freed" societies, and the US North.

19 Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt. 20 There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.

a) Irrelevant

b) That has nothing at all to do with freedom, it has to do with protecting a government. a government that "suspends freedom in order to protect it" hasn't protected freedom, it has protected itself.

Oh, it's relevant in that it illustrates the practical problems your position creates.



I agree in part, however practically speaking, if you're in a free society, and your country is being invaded, it's against your will - therefore, your freedom is in as much risk as your government.

Now, it may very well be true that a society that won't volunteer to defend itself doesn't deserve to be free. However, as I said before, history shows us that free societies usually don't pony up enough volunteers. So I guess nobody deserves freedom? What you're saying sounds great on a message board, but has little value in the real world.

19 Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt. 20 There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.

No, those people don't deserve freedom. They deserve whatever it is they get instead.

This statement seems at odds with the concept of inherent rights, Rynar. Saying someone doesn't "deserve" freedom suggests that their rights are contingent rather than inherent.

19 Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt. 20 There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.

If you're simply saying that although the victim's loss of freedom is unjust, you don't feel much sympathy for him under the circumstances, I guess that would eliminate the inconsistency I'm perceiving.

19 Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt. 20 There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.

"What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure."

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them."

"I hold it that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms are in the physical. Unsuccessful rebellions, indeed, generally establish the encroachments on the rights of the people, which have produced them. An observation of this truth should render honest republican governors so mild in their punishment of rebellions, as not to discourage them too much. It is medicine necessary for the sound health of government."

God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ... What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.

You've got it now. This was the intent of the statement. A basic acknowledgement that if you don't provide the "Tree of Liberty" with it's prescribed nutrients, don't expect it to flourish.