The Glade 4.0

1) No, I didn't. You labled death by impoverrishment as genocide. The UN should be knocking on your door shortly for not sending 100% of all earnings above basic sustainance to third world nations. You're a genocidal maniac.

2) Yes. You are. You are equating the government taking positive action by shutting down real economies and destroying basic supply lines causing an unnatural man-caused event with a government ceasing to act.

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Ezekiel 23:19-20 

Xeq seems to be suffering some variation of the UN problem.

The word genocide must be used if one thinks what is occurring is bad no matter how much the action does not fit the term and it must never be used if we support or don't care about the action.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

I'm not responsible for people in other countries. If millions of people were starving here in the US and I demanded that they starve instead of me having to pay extra taxes, yes I'd be a genocidal maniac. In reality, this is of course a false dilemma because there are other options besides, "raise taxes" and "let millions starve." But in the hypothetical situation given here where all the individuals currently unemployed are not ever let back into the workforce, it really does come down to me paying for their food or them starving to death. The fact that you would choose the latter is simply monstrous.

Is it my imagination, or is Elmarnieh one of the most rational people in this thread?

Genocide is the attempt to exterminate a group of people, be it tribe, race, religion or national identity.

Hitler advocated the genocide of the Jewish people, the Romany (gypsies) and even the Aryans who were seriously disabled, especially the mentally retarded.

Stalin wasn't committing genocide so much as wiping out people who disagreed with him. He was still a mass murdering maniac.

The Greeks (among others) tried to commit genocide on the Armenians.

The European colonists and later the United States tried to commit genocide on the Native Americans.

In Rwanda in 1994 the Hutus conducted mass killings of Tutsis and pro-peace Hutus, who were portrayed as "traitors" and "collaborationists".

Genocide is a very specific term with a standard definition. Stop using it like a buzz word.

The powers that be in the United States aren't interested in committing genocide against any group. They just want to accumulate as much power and wealth as they can. As mankind has proven over and over again, we can survive on very little. What the powers that be aren't taking into account is that the citizens of the United States are only wiling to be pushed so far, then we will remember the slogans and lessons of past generations, and take action.

The French revolution comes to mind. and it would never have happened if the absolute monarchy hadn't gotten too greedy and made life unbearable for its citizens.

So does that wonderful phrase from the 60s, "Eat the rich."

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

I think you're thinking of the Turks. If anything, the Greeks were as much a target of Turkish Genocide as were the Armenians. But, again - the Turks probably didn't want to kill every last Armenian, only the ones on Turkish territory.

I'm not entirely convinced that Euros and Americans wanted to commit genocide on the Amerindians. They were just in the way, much like the kulaks were for Stalin.

Genocide is a very squishy term, to me, but requires a real doctrine/manifesto ... agency of some sort. "We must kill every last one of them" is different from "we must remove them from our territory so we can do what we want." Not to say that goals can't change as territory expands or is "cleansed," of course.

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This cold and dark tormented hell
Is all I`ll ever know
So when you get to heaven
May the devil be the judge

No they won't. The government will tell them who their enemy is and they'll rise to that.

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"...the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?" -Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Yeah, those hippies who shouted the slogans are now those they shouted the slogans about...

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

Some, I'd imagine most are still pretty liberal blue collar or office type working guys and gals getting ready to retire.

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

"Never trust anyone over 30!"

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

Ok, I don't trust me that much either. If I have to go on the carousel, so do most of you guys and gals though. It is going to be mighty lonely around here without us.

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones