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So what's going on in Turkey?
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Author:  Müs [ Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:46 pm ]
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News reports are all over the **** place.

Someone wanna broad stroke it for me?
Author:  RangerDave [ Tue Jun 04, 2013 12:14 am ]
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Müs wrote:
Someone wanna broad stroke it for me?

Only if you buy me dinner first! :D

Anyway, basically, PM Erdogan's government has a history of corruption and suppression of dissent, but he's been able to keep a lid on opposition thanks to solid economic growth and a relatively broad political coalition. The current mess started as an ordinary protest against one of Erdogan's pet projects that involved bulldozing a popular park, but when the cops cracked down hard and the protestors refused to yield, it popped the lid off the widespread discontent that's been bubbling under the surface for years, leading to general anti-government protests and clashes with riot cops around the country.
Author:  Hopwin [ Tue Jun 04, 2013 6:35 am ]
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Word on the street is that it is "things with the stuff".
Author:  Arathain Kelvar [ Tue Jun 04, 2013 8:36 am ]
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Muslims being angry and/or oppressive.
Author:  RangerDave [ Tue Jun 04, 2013 10:06 am ]
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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
Muslims being angry and/or oppressive.

I know that's meant to be a semi-flip answer, but religious issues are only one part of what's going on. Up until recently, Erdogan has actually had the tacit support (albeit muted and ambivalent) of secular, liberal reformers because his government is a democratically-elected counterweight to the politically powerful and arguably even more repressive military. It's true that Erdogan's government has enacted various religion-based laws that are undeniably anti-freedom, and some of the opposition is in response to that, but much of the opposition is also motivated by Erdogan's more generalized silencing of political opposition, government corruption, abusive police and military tactics, etc. Moreover, the "Muslims being angry" (i.e. the protesters) are for the most part protesting on secular, not religious grounds, including opposition to Islamist policies.
Author:  DFK! [ Tue Jun 04, 2013 10:17 am ]
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That's what's going on.
Author:  Arathain Kelvar [ Tue Jun 04, 2013 11:06 am ]
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RangerDave wrote:
Arathain Kelvar wrote:
Muslims being angry and/or oppressive.

I know that's meant to be a semi-flip answer, but religious issues are only one part of what's going on. Up until recently, Erdogan has actually had the tacit support (albeit muted and ambivalent) of secular, liberal reformers because his government is a democratically-elected counterweight to the politically powerful and arguably even more repressive military. It's true that Erdogan's government has enacted various religion-based laws that are undeniably anti-freedom, and some of the opposition is in response to that, but much of the opposition is also motivated by Erdogan's more generalized silencing of political opposition, government corruption, abusive police and military tactics, etc. Moreover, the "Muslims being angry" (i.e. the protesters) are for the most part protesting on secular, not religious grounds, including opposition to Islamist policies.


Whatever, man. All you're doing now is explaining why Muslims are angry and/or oppressive. I'm sure they are all very legitimate reasons. The point is, though, that Muslims are always friggin angry. I think it's part of their scripture. Step 1: Allah. Step 2: Something about head scarves. Step 3: Be angry.
Author:  Talya [ Tue Jun 04, 2013 11:08 am ]
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Also, the French grew out of their adolescent decapitation temper tantrum. Muslims are still going around beheading everything.
Author:  Hopwin [ Tue Jun 04, 2013 11:15 am ]
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Arathain, you forgot beards. Beards are very important, much like the Amish.
Author:  Rorinthas [ Tue Jun 04, 2013 1:36 pm ]
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DFK! wrote:



That's what's going on.

Thank you, I needed that.
Author:  Micheal [ Tue Jun 04, 2013 5:26 pm ]
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One of our allies has gone and upset heir citizens enough that they are having a revolution. Since hey are an ally we cannot admit that so they are having some unrest and a little street violence.

Check Al-Jazeera for their angle on the violence.
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