I can see Rynar voted.
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| Author: | Müs [ Thu Jun 06, 2013 11:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Cops. |
Poll or something. |
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| Author: | Raell [ Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:47 am ] |
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I can see Rynar voted.
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| Author: | Screeling [ Fri Jun 07, 2013 8:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cops. |
The poll is broken - there's no option for "Farsky is gay." |
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| Author: | Rynar [ Sun Jun 09, 2013 11:44 pm ] |
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Raell wrote: I can see Rynar voted. Yes, I trust them implicitly and have no issues. |
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| Author: | Raell [ Mon Jun 10, 2013 2:19 am ] |
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Awww, I figured you took the bottom option. |
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| Author: | Arathain Kelvar [ Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:36 pm ] |
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http://www.wjla.com/articles/2013/06/joseph-harvey-jr-killed-in-alleged-i-97-road-rage-incident-89870.html Spoiler: So, it's cop-related, but this guy was off duty so, whatever. Anyway, Harvey was a friend of mine. Genuine nice guy. You know, if you're going to be involved in a road rage incident, and pull your car over, get ready to brawl. There may just be words. But if you're worried about your safety, don't pull the car over. Knowing Harvey, I am highly dubious that there was any physical aggression by him. ****. |
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| Author: | Diamondeye [ Tue Jun 11, 2013 9:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cops. |
It says he's an "officer with the prosecutors' office." I'm not exactly sure what that is, but unless NJ has some really weird setup, he was probably misrepresenting himself as a cop (on top of everything else.) |
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| Author: | RangerDave [ Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:15 am ] |
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Very sorry to hear you lost a friend, AK. My condolences. Regarding this point: Arathain Kelvar wrote: You know, if you're going to be involved in a road rage incident, and pull your car over, get ready to brawl. There may just be words. But if you're worried about your safety, don't pull the car over. It sounds from that article like maybe Harvey pulled over because he thought continuing on was going to result in an accident. I've been in a similar situation myself where the other driver cut me off and kept slowing down and swerving to prevent me from passing until we were only going about 20 mph on a 65 mph highway. I considered just pulling over to the side and stopping rather than continue to risk an accident, but I decided that was probably an even bigger risk precisely because he might stop as well and pull a gun on me. Fortunately, we came to an exit after a few minutes of this nonsense, and I was able to cut over and exit after he was already passed the ramp. He hit his breaks and obviously was considering backing up to follow me, but I guess he'd finally had enough and kept going. Anyway, the point is, I can definitely see how your friend's decision to pull over might have been a defensive move rather than an aggressive one. Even getting out of his car could be construed as defensive, since it would be hard to defend yourself from a seated and seat-belted position if the guy approaching you decides to attack, although in that case, it would probably be better to wait in your car until he gets out of his and then just speed away. |
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| Author: | DFK! [ Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:20 am ] |
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RangerDave wrote: Very sorry to hear you lost a friend, AK. My condolences. Regarding this point: Arathain Kelvar wrote: You know, if you're going to be involved in a road rage incident, and pull your car over, get ready to brawl. There may just be words. But if you're worried about your safety, don't pull the car over. It sounds from that article like maybe Harvey pulled over because he thought continuing on was going to result in an accident. I've been in a similar situation myself where the other driver cut me off and kept slowing down and swerving to prevent me from passing until we were only going about 20 mph on a 65 mph highway. I considered just pulling over to the side and stopping rather than continue to risk an accident, but I decided that was probably an even bigger risk precisely because he might stop as well and pull a gun on me. Fortunately, we came to an exit after a few minutes of this nonsense, and I was able to cut over and exit after he was already passed the ramp. He hit his breaks and obviously was considering backing up to follow me, but I guess he'd finally had enough and kept going. Anyway, the point is, I can definitely see how your friend's decision to pull over might have been a defensive move rather than an aggressive one. Even getting out of his car could be construed as defensive, since it would be hard to defend yourself from a seated and seat-belted position if the guy approaching you decides to attack, although in that case, it would probably be better to wait in your car until he gets out of his and then just speed away. Stay in your car, call 911, draw your weapon, warn the other person to stay back. At least, in Ohio, that's how I'd do it. |
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| Author: | Arathain Kelvar [ Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:32 am ] |
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My statement was directed at the shooter. I do feel it's somewhat harder to justify shooting someone in self defense if you pull your car over to confront them. I've pulled over before to confront rude people. I was prepared for a tussle, but preferred words. Simply getting in a tussle is not cause for a shooting IMO. Kick the guy's ***, or get yours kicked. No need to bring weapons into it in that situation. |
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| Author: | Diamondeye [ Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:49 am ] |
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*facepalm* |
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| Author: | DFK! [ Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:23 am ] |
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Arathain Kelvar wrote: My statement was directed at the shooter. I do feel it's somewhat harder to justify shooting someone in self defense if you pull your car over to confront them. Sure. That's why you don't pull over to confront them. You pull over in the hope they just keep driving. But if they don't, you need to stay in your car to protect yourself. |
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| Author: | Midgen [ Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:26 am ] |
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Arathain Kelvar wrote: I've pulled over before to confront rude people. Huh.. |
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| Author: | Hopwin [ Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:40 am ] |
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Midgen wrote: Arathain Kelvar wrote: I've pulled over before to confront rude people. Huh.. Huh++ |
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| Author: | Rynar [ Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:59 pm ] |
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Arathain Kelvar wrote: My statement was directed at the shooter. I do feel it's somewhat harder to justify shooting someone in self defense if you pull your car over to confront them. I've pulled over before to confront rude people. I was prepared for a tussle, but preferred words. Simply getting in a tussle is not cause for a shooting IMO. Kick the guy's ***, or get yours kicked. No need to bring weapons into it in that situation. Yeah... If I pulled over at the scene of an accident, and anyone walked towards my car aggressively, I would absolutely prepare to defend myself with leathal force. That's just dumb. Don't do that. |
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| Author: | Stathol [ Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Re: |
Arathain Kelvar wrote: I've pulled over before to confront rude people. I was prepared for a tussle, but preferred words. Simply getting in a tussle is not cause for a shooting IMO. Kick the guy's ***, or get yours kicked. No need to bring weapons into it in that situation. Nothing good can come of this. They're either an idiot, an *******, or someone who just made an innocent mistake. Whichever the case, a confrontation isn't going to help. And then there's the very real possiblity that they drive like an ******* because they're a sociopath. This is a good way to die for nothing. |
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| Author: | Hopwin [ Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:50 am ] |
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Stathol wrote: Arathain Kelvar wrote: I've pulled over before to confront rude people. I was prepared for a tussle, but preferred words. Simply getting in a tussle is not cause for a shooting IMO. Kick the guy's ***, or get yours kicked. No need to bring weapons into it in that situation. Nothing good can come of this. They're either an idiot, an *******, or someone who just made an innocent mistake. Whichever the case, a confrontation isn't going to help. And then there's the very real possiblity that they drive like an ******* because they're a sociopath. This is a good way to die for nothing. I think this is technically called "Zimmermaning" now. |
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| Author: | Diamondeye [ Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Re: |
Stathol wrote: Arathain Kelvar wrote: I've pulled over before to confront rude people. I was prepared for a tussle, but preferred words. Simply getting in a tussle is not cause for a shooting IMO. Kick the guy's ***, or get yours kicked. No need to bring weapons into it in that situation. Nothing good can come of this. They're either an idiot, an *******, or someone who just made an innocent mistake. Whichever the case, a confrontation isn't going to help. And then there's the very real possiblity that they drive like an ******* because they're a sociopath. This is a good way to die for nothing. This. |
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| Author: | Arathain Kelvar [ Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Re: |
Stathol wrote: Arathain Kelvar wrote: I've pulled over before to confront rude people. I was prepared for a tussle, but preferred words. Simply getting in a tussle is not cause for a shooting IMO. Kick the guy's ***, or get yours kicked. No need to bring weapons into it in that situation. Nothing good can come of this. They're either an idiot, an *******, or someone who just made an innocent mistake. Whichever the case, a confrontation isn't going to help. And then there's the very real possiblity that they drive like an ******* because they're a sociopath. This is a good way to die for nothing. I don't disagree. However, on rare occasions, I do feel the need to explain proper manners. And no - this does not extend to idiots and people who make mistakes. I am quite patient with such people. This is hardly a recommendation. I'm simply saying that merely getting in a tussle is not cause for weapons. Rynar's example above does not apply, as he would not feel the need to defend himself. You don't attack people that are not willing to fight. All Rynar would get is words. If he shoots me for words, he'll go to jail. |
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| Author: | Diamondeye [ Thu Jun 13, 2013 3:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cops. |
And you'd already be shot. I bet knowing he was in jail would be real comfortable, rolling around on the pavement bleeding out and hoping an ambulance gets there in time. |
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| Author: | Arathain Kelvar [ Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cops. |
Diamondeye wrote: And you'd already be shot. I bet knowing he was in jail would be real comfortable, rolling around on the pavement bleeding out and hoping an ambulance gets there in time. 
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| Author: | Rynar [ Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Re: |
Arathain Kelvar wrote: Stathol wrote: Arathain Kelvar wrote: I've pulled over before to confront rude people. I was prepared for a tussle, but preferred words. Simply getting in a tussle is not cause for a shooting IMO. Kick the guy's ***, or get yours kicked. No need to bring weapons into it in that situation. Nothing good can come of this. They're either an idiot, an *******, or someone who just made an innocent mistake. Whichever the case, a confrontation isn't going to help. And then there's the very real possiblity that they drive like an ******* because they're a sociopath. This is a good way to die for nothing. I don't disagree. However, on rare occasions, I do feel the need to explain proper manners. And no - this does not extend to idiots and people who make mistakes. I am quite patient with such people. This is hardly a recommendation. I'm simply saying that merely getting in a tussle is not cause for weapons. Rynar's example above does not apply, as he would not feel the need to defend himself. You don't attack people that are not willing to fight. All Rynar would get is words. If he shoots me for words, he'll go to jail. No, Rynar's example absolutely does apply. If I've just been in an accident, and some aggressive ******* comes towards my car, appearing outraged, I'm taking out my hand gun, and telling him to get the **** away from me and my car. If he doesn't and appears intent to want to "tussle" with me, I'll fire, center mass. No one has the right to assault anyone else, but everyone has the right to defend themselves from assault. But hey, if you feel like your torso isn't ventilated enough, feel free to act like an idiot. |
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| Author: | Diamondeye [ Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cops. |
Arathain Kelvar wrote: Diamondeye wrote: And you'd already be shot. I bet knowing he was in jail would be real comfortable, rolling around on the pavement bleeding out and hoping an ambulance gets there in time. You go ahead and make all the little emoticons you want. Its your ***. You've got a family. You might want to think about that the next time you just can't let someone's "lack of proper manners" go. |
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| Author: | Arathain Kelvar [ Fri Jun 14, 2013 7:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cops. |
Diamondeye wrote: Arathain Kelvar wrote: Diamondeye wrote: And you'd already be shot. I bet knowing he was in jail would be real comfortable, rolling around on the pavement bleeding out and hoping an ambulance gets there in time. You go ahead and make all the little emoticons you want. Its your ***. You've got a family. You might want to think about that the next time you just can't let someone's "lack of proper manners" go. Hey, thanks for the life advice!!!  I like nothing better than a cop telling me I shouldn't handle my own problems. (Leave that to the authorities!!) |
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| Author: | Hopwin [ Fri Jun 14, 2013 7:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cops. |
Arathain Kelvar wrote: Diamondeye wrote: You go ahead and make all the little emoticons you want. Its your ***. You've got a family. You might want to think about that the next time you just can't let someone's "lack of proper manners" go. Hey, thanks for the life advice!!! I like nothing better than a cop telling me I shouldn't handle my own problems. (Leave that to the authorities!!)[/quote] You are retarded Arathain. |
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