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Author:  Diamondeye [ Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:55 am ]
Post subject:  Russia possibly cheating on nuke agreements (again)

Take it with a grain of salt.

Russia may or may not be technically be cheating on the INF treaty, but this is not the first time they've been caught cheating on nuclear weapons agreements. They've also made it clear in the past that nuclear weapons form a fundamental part of their national strategy, as well as their naval tactical strategy; over the last few years I've posted a few articles where statements from Russian officials to this effect have been made.

The simple fact is that non-prolifertion and disarmament are a farce, and we need to abandon them. We don't need a wholsesale arms race, but our strategic capabilities have been cut too much and in the wrong places. If we need to make defense cuts, we need to make them by shrinking the Army and cutting back on "expeditionary" (nation-building) oriented forces, and start concentrating again on naval and air power intended to address major threats, rather than trying to use the military to swat every insignificant fly around the globe by shooting $68,000 missiles at $1,000 third world jalopies. Flies can be swatted here and there, but that isn't the reason to have a military; the purpose of the military is to kill marauding grizzly bears.

In other words we need more of these (in modern form):

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and less of these

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and we need to stop focusing on these as our primary security concern

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And stop pretending these magically went away in 1991.

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Author:  Hopwin [ Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Russia possibly cheating on nuke agreements (again)

:thumbs:

Author:  Diamondeye [ Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Russia possibly cheating on nuke agreements (again)

The SS-25 carries the history of cheating, or at least playing fast and loose with arms agreements all the way back to SALT II.

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Provisions of the SALT II agreement prohibited the deployment of more than one new missile (which became RT-23UTTh), it was officially declared by the Soviet Union that the RT-2PM Topol was developed to upgrade the silo based RT-2. The US government disputed this view, contending that the missile was clearly more than 5% larger and had twice the throw-weight as the RT-2 and therefore constituted a new missile system. Marshal Nikolai Ogarkov, Soviet Chief of General Staff cancelled the September 1, 1983 test flight of the RT-2PM Topol which was to be launched from Plesetsk (the launch site in northwest Russia used for test firing of solid fuel propellant ICBMs)- 24 minutes later to land in the Klyuchi target area on the Kamchatka Peninsula. The night of the scheduled launch was the night that Korean Air Lines Flight 007 intruded Soviet airspace over Kamchatka.


Throw weight being twice as high, yet classifying the missile as an upgrade is stretching the truth significantly. It may very well have been technically an outgrowth of the RT-2, but it's sort of like calling the Saturn V an "upgrade" of the Redstone.

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