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Author: | RangerDave [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:53 am ] |
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An excellent point: Balkinization wrote: Eugene Kontorovich, my Northwestern Law School colleague and friend, has suggested the Second Amendment is violated by a proposal to limit people to carrying only one gun. “Arms is a plural term, and the presumption should thus be that the right to bear them extends to more than one firearm.” The proposal has been the subject of an extended debate on Volokh Conspiracy with Nicholas Rosencrantz. If this strict textualism is to be followed, there is an interesting implication: perhaps there is only a right to bear “arms” – plural – but not to bear a single arm, about which the Constitution is silent. So an individual has a right to walk around with multiple guns on his person. But if he’s caught with only one firearm, the Constitution is silent and the state may criminally prosecute him if it sees fit. One implication is that Heller is wrongly decided, since the claimant there only alleged his intention to possess a single firearm. He should have asked for an arsenal. There are some attractions to this as a matter of policy. If the price of carrying a gun is that you have to carry two, most people will find this literally too heavy a price to pay. Guns weigh a lot. So a government that wants to minimize the amount of artillery on the street might well want to pursue this. But, of course, policy is irrelevant. We are trying to be strict textualists here. So the objection that has probably already occurred to you – it’s ridiculous to let people carry two guns but not one – is ruled out of order from the start. A basic requirement of this exercise is to put considerations of policy, danger to the public, and common sense out of our minds. I love nerdy law professor banter. |
Author: | Rorinthas [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 12:38 pm ] |
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I figured (of any number and type) is implied by, "arms" and "Shall not be infringe" similar to how the first amendment says the right of the people to freely assemble and protest, but can apply to a single person |
Author: | RangerDave [ Fri Jul 12, 2013 12:44 pm ] |
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Yeah, the law prof at Balkinization is just being a bit of a smart-ass, which (because I'm a nerd and a former law student) I thought was funny. |
Author: | Corolinth [ Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:41 pm ] |
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One kilogun uses the singular, however a kilogun would be a thousand guns, which is plural. Mull that over. |
Author: | Diamondeye [ Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:43 pm ] |
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I don't think guns are fungible. A kilogun would be really cool, though. |
Author: | Hannibal [ Tue Jul 16, 2013 5:20 am ] |
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A kilogun sounds like sometbing Pelosi would call any generic black polymer gun. |
Author: | Hopwin [ Tue Jul 16, 2013 6:53 am ] |
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Hannibal wrote: A kilogun sounds like sometbing Pelosi would call any generic black polymer gun. *snip* |
Author: | Corolinth [ Tue Jul 16, 2013 11:14 am ] |
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Megagun and Gigagun both sound silly. Tera is just way too big a number. |
Author: | DFK! [ Tue Jul 16, 2013 11:59 am ] |
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Corolinth wrote: Megagun and Gigagun both sound silly. Tera is just way too big a number. Petagun. Sounds perfect for the hardcore gun types. |
Author: | Diamondeye [ Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:28 pm ] |
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I would think PETA would be fairly anti-gun. |
Author: | Kaffis Mark V [ Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:09 pm ] |
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Diamondeye wrote: I would think PETA would be fairly anti-gun. PETA is actually really weird on the gun control issue. They advocate for all the assault rifles and pistols you could want, but want to ban hunting rifles. They don't care if you kill people, so long as you leave the animals alone. |
Author: | Lenas [ Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:11 pm ] |
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Which is hilarious because PETA kills a ton of animals. |
Author: | Diamondeye [ Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:14 pm ] |
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But not with guns! |
Author: | DFK! [ Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:24 pm ] |
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Not a PETA gun. And not a Pita gun. And not a P.I.T.A. gun. A petagun. Very specific here, people. |
Author: | Elmarnieh [ Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:32 pm ] |
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My pita gun is a p.i.t.a. |
Author: | Hannibal [ Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:24 am ] |
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How about a pentagun? Smith and Wesson model 666. Geeze imagine if Zimmerman had a glock or some tacticool pistol instead of the generic kel tec? |
Author: | DFK! [ Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:27 am ] |
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Hannibal wrote: Geeze imagine if Zimmerman had a glock or some tacticool pistol instead of the generic kel tec? Ban assault pistols! Racial pistol profiling racism hate civil rights hatred murder! |
Author: | Hannibal [ Thu Jul 18, 2013 11:08 am ] |
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DFK! wrote: Hannibal wrote: Geeze imagine if Zimmerman had a glock or some tacticool pistol instead of the generic kel tec? Ban assault pistols! Racial pistol profiling racism hate civil rights hatred murder! A murder death kill !!! Someone grab me the 3 shells I think I shat myself! |
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