Current speed is extremely easy to discern using GPS. When giving me directions, my phone tells me the second I go over the speed limit by beeping at me. Had to turn the warning off
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| Author: | Mookhow [ Wed Oct 30, 2013 4:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Police ticket Google Glass-wearing driver |
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013 ... tv-in-car/ Quote: A California woman was apparently pulled over and given a ticket for driving while wearing Google Glass last night. Cecilia Abadie took to Google+ to post a picture of the ticket she received in San Diego, which says she was guilty of "Driving with Monitor visible to Driver (Google Glass)." The police officer cited a California law stating that "[a] person shall not drive a motor vehicle if a television receiver, a video monitor, or a television or video screen, or any other similar means of visually displaying a television broadcast or video signal that produces entertainment or business applications, is operating and is located in the motor vehicle at a point forward of the back of the driver’s seat, or is operating and the monitor, screen, or display is visible to the driver while driving the motor vehicle." Abadie was also cited for speeding. The officer may have noticed that she was wearing Google Glass after pulling her over and decided to add a second infraction. However, Abadie may have good cause to fight the Glass-related portion of the citation. The California rule provides exceptions for video equipment if it provides a "global positioning display" or "mapping display." Google Glass can of course be used as a GPS. A California driver handbook summarizes the rule and its exceptions by saying, "Do not drive a vehicle equipped with a video monitor, if the monitor is visible to the driver and displays anything other than vehicle information global mapping displays, external media player (MP3), or satellite radio information." Abadie's post has garnered more than 200 comments, with one person calling the law "amazingly ambiguous." "Please please please, fight this in court. We need to get a ruling on this," the commenter said. Abadie seems inclined to fight the ticket. "It's all in how a judge will interpret it and I suspect their love or hate and understanding of the technology might help or the opposite," she wrote. I don't think anyone here has tried Google Glass yet, but do you think the ticket has merit? |
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| Author: | Müs [ Wed Oct 30, 2013 4:31 pm ] |
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Its no worse than an Apache pilot flying with a monocle on. Glass is just a little HUD sort of thing. I mean, its not like she was driving with an Oculus Rift on. The cop was being a tool. |
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| Author: | Micheal [ Wed Oct 30, 2013 4:36 pm ] |
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Yes. Under the letter of the law, any monitor qualifies the driver for that ticket. Cell phone screens definitely are. I doubt the GG size will sway anyone's mind. It is a fine, unless she has a bad history for tickets or worse no jail time is likely. Is it fair? Yes. It applies to everyone. Is it just? How distracting is that thing? |
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| Author: | Mookhow [ Wed Oct 30, 2013 4:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Police ticket Google Glass-wearing driver |
From what I've heard, Glass is up and to the right, focuses at 'infinity' (so you don't need to refocus your eyes to read it), and generally is unobtrusive. I have not tried it myself, though. |
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| Author: | Diamondeye [ Wed Oct 30, 2013 4:41 pm ] |
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The cop was not being a tool, and Apache pilots go through extensive training to use the monocle... which is necessary for the helicopter to be useful in the first place. The probemis that the law (as the article points out) is ambiguous. The article itself is ambiguous as to whether she actually was using it for GPS data; it only points out that she could have been. |
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| Author: | Numbuk [ Wed Oct 30, 2013 5:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Police ticket Google Glass-wearing driver |
One of Google's biggest purposes of this beta was to see what would happen if these things were released out into the world and used in day to day life. Good or bad, this is the kind of info they want. Personally I'd feel safer about my treatment by a police officer knowing, and him knowing, that I was recording that interaction as well (especially if I could stream it to the cloud, password protected). Far less unfavorable chance of "my word against a police officer's" for any wrongful or unwarranted treatment. |
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| Author: | Rorinthas [ Wed Oct 30, 2013 5:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Police ticket Google Glass-wearing driver |
Mookhow wrote: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/10/police-ticket-google-glass-wearing-driver-for-watching-tv-in-car/ Quote: A California woman was apparently pulled over and given a ticket for driving while wearing Google Glass last night. Cecilia Abadie took to Google+ to post a picture of the ticket she received in San Diego, which says she was guilty of "Driving with Monitor visible to Driver (Google Glass)." The police officer cited a California law stating that "[a] person shall not drive a motor vehicle if a television receiver, a video monitor, or a television or video screen, or any other similar means of visually displaying a television broadcast or video signal that produces entertainment or business applications, is operating and is located in the motor vehicle at a point forward of the back of the driver’s seat, or is operating and the monitor, screen, or display is visible to the driver while driving the motor vehicle." Abadie was also cited for speeding. The officer may have noticed that she was wearing Google Glass after pulling her over and decided to add a second infraction. However, Abadie may have good cause to fight the Glass-related portion of the citation. The California rule provides exceptions for video equipment if it provides a "global positioning display" or "mapping display." Google Glass can of course be used as a GPS. A California driver handbook summarizes the rule and its exceptions by saying, "Do not drive a vehicle equipped with a video monitor, if the monitor is visible to the driver and displays anything other than vehicle information global mapping displays, external media player (MP3), or satellite radio information." Abadie's post has garnered more than 200 comments, with one person calling the law "amazingly ambiguous." "Please please please, fight this in court. We need to get a ruling on this," the commenter said. Abadie seems inclined to fight the ticket. "It's all in how a judge will interpret it and I suspect their love or hate and understanding of the technology might help or the opposite," she wrote. I don't think anyone here has tried Google Glass yet, but do you think the ticket has merit? The ticket has merit, since that is the law. The law itself is debatable. As with any ticket it can be contested in court on the merits mentioned. |
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| Author: | Kaffis Mark V [ Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:38 pm ] |
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I think the law has reasonable justification to apply to Google Glass-like ARDs. While a car app type thing would be innocuous or even arguably safer than relying on your car's own dash instruments for things like spedometers, there's no good way to ensure it's not being used to text and drive, or surf YouTube, etc. And absent a way for the police to tell as an external observer whether it's being used in a safe manner or an unsafe one, it's not outrageous to let it fall under the more cautious restrictions (that of an unsafe use of monitors). On the other hand, maybe this is a great opportunity for Google to step in with an aggressive deterrent. If Google agrees to disclose the apps active on screen (but not the content, say) at the time of a documented accident (and it's easy to sync up with no ambiguity or margin of error -- the Glass is recording the crash, right?) to police requests, then you just make the penalty for being caught using unsafe-while-driving apps while driving in a crash revocation of license for 5 years or something, and, of course, meeting a low burden of proof for manslaughter charges and whatnot. |
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| Author: | Diamondeye [ Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:40 pm ] |
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Kaffis Mark V wrote: I think the law has reasonable justification to apply to Google Glass-like ARDs. While a car app type thing would be innocuous or even arguably safer than relying on your car's own dash instruments for things like spedometers, there's no good way to ensure it's not being used to text and drive, or surf YouTube, etc. And absent a way for the police to tell as an external observer whether it's being used in a safe manner or an unsafe one, it's not outrageous to let it fall under the more cautious restrictions (that of an unsafe use of monitors). On the other hand, maybe this is a great opportunity for Google to step in with an aggressive deterrent. If Google agrees to disclose the apps active on screen (but not the content, say) at the time of a documented accident (and it's easy to sync up with no ambiguity or margin of error -- the Glass is recording the crash, right?) to police requests, then you just make the penalty for being caught using unsafe-while-driving apps while driving in a crash revocation of license for 5 years or something, and, of course, meeting a low burden of proof for manslaughter charges and whatnot. That's a good idea. I agree. |
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| Author: | Lenas [ Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:42 pm ] |
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Müs wrote: Its no worse than an Apache pilot flying with a monocle on. Glass is just a little HUD sort of thing. Sure, a HUD that can show you pictures, emails, text messages, etc. That **** doesn't belong in a driver's face. I think the cop was being completely reasonable here and if I owned Glass I'd never wear it while driving. |
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| Author: | Taskiss [ Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Police ticket Google Glass-wearing driver |
It might be that after wearing it for a while you become integrated with it being there and your driving wouldn't be affected. Heck, future generations of the product might even enhance a persons driving ability. I'm still OK with insisting that folks not use them while driving, even so. Driving isn't so difficult that you need enhancements. Just keep your eyes on the road and your mind in the game. |
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| Author: | Arathain Kelvar [ Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:21 am ] |
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Based on my limited knowledge of the technology it seems that it's designed to put information right in the driver's field of view. If that is indeed the case, I don't see how it wouldn't be a distraction to drivers. |
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| Author: | Amanar [ Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:31 am ] |
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Your speedometer, tachometer, clock, and windshield mounted GPS are all within the driver's field of view, but we consider them acceptable. I don't think that's enough of a reason to ban Google glass on the road. I think Google should implement a "Driving Mode" where everything is disabled except GPS and any other driving-related features. Then make the device keep track of what mode it was in for the past day or so, so that law enforcement can check if they feel the need when they pull someone over using one. It would also be helpful to have a driving simulator study done to compare the effects of Google glass on driving performance. If it's a similar level of distraction to a GPS, then I don't think it should be banned. But without this information, it's hard for me to support banning it. |
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| Author: | Diamondeye [ Thu Oct 31, 2013 1:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Police ticket Google Glass-wearing driver |
The driving mode isn't a bad idea, but the speedometer etc. directly pertain to operating the vehicle. Google glass information doesn't necessarily. In any case, some distraction is inevitable while driving; that doesn't make all distractions acceptable. |
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| Author: | Lenas [ Thu Oct 31, 2013 1:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Police ticket Google Glass-wearing driver |
Current speed is extremely easy to discern using GPS. When giving me directions, my phone tells me the second I go over the speed limit by beeping at me. Had to turn the warning off
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| Author: | Midgen [ Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:40 pm ] |
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I have an android device mounted on my dashboard that shows real time ODBII data (speed, fuel consumption rate, RPM's, etc...). Because of my height and driving position, the top of the steering wheel blocks my view of the speedometer. The android device is supplemental information that I use to monitor my speed, and improve my fuel economy. I have never tried Google Glass, so it's hard to say, but it seems like having a HUD would be more likely to draw my attention away from what is outside of the car, where as my android device sits on my dash, just above the top edge of the steering wheel. It's actually safer for me than using the dash guages, as it's closer to my natural field of view. |
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| Author: | Talya [ Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:19 pm ] |
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This ticket has merit, if only so consistent laws can be established when she fights it. My gut reaction, however, is that an HUD-device like google glass is likely the safest way to communicate any information to a driver. |
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| Author: | Diamondeye [ Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Police ticket Google Glass-wearing driver |
I doubt that the HUD has any significant difference in safety, either way, for communicating information to the average driver. To people like Midgen, that might be the case. |
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| Author: | Rorinthas [ Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Police ticket Google Glass-wearing driver |
Midgen wrote: I have an android device mounted on my dashboard that shows real time ODBII data (speed, fuel consumption rate, RPM's, etc...). . I would enjoy hearing more about the workings of this phenomenon Sent from my GT-P3113 using Tapatalk |
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| Author: | Midgen [ Fri Nov 01, 2013 1:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Police ticket Google Glass-wearing driver |
Rorinthas wrote: Midgen wrote: I have an android device mounted on my dashboard that shows real time OBDII data (speed, fuel consumption rate, RPM's, etc...). . I would enjoy hearing more about the workings of this phenomenon I have one of these in my vehicles OBD2 port, sync'd via bluetooth to my Nexus 7 2013 LTE, which runs Torque, and a few other OBD reader apps. http://www.scantool.net/obdlink-mx.html http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006NZ ... UTF8&psc=1  Some screenshots of it in use. Note that the last screenshot is of a Windows app (the device comes with Windows drivers/software) Spoiler: The android apps OBDLink App Torque Pro DashCommand OBD Dashoard And the dash mount I use for the N7 *Sorry, this is on Ebay. It's an excellent mount (for my needs), and this is the only place I've found them* http://www.ebay.com/itm/Xenomix-7-Nevig ... 1015573406 Spoiler: My application of this stuff is really ideal. The tablet sits just flush with the dash, above the instrument panel, behind the top of the steering wheel. It does not obstruct my view out of the windshield at all. It is right at my fingertips when I need to use it, although the way it's set up, I rarely have to interact with it at all once I'm driving. I also use this to stream radio and cloud music to my car stereo. I have a USB power adapter routed off of the fuse box directly to the tablet. It's hidden except for about 6" that sticks out of the dash. It stays plugged in and charging any time the car is running. I have pondered having a custom shop permanently install the tablet in my dash in place of the double DIN UConnect system that the car came with, but the dash mount and bluetooth connectivity is working fine, so I'm not really motivated to make any drastic changes. The one real downside (it's a minor nit) is having to power the tablet off/on whenever I get in the car, and having to dismount and stash it to keep it from temping thieves. Edit: I forgot to mention. I learned a hard and expensive lesson about OBD2 scanners. If you want to display data in near real time, don't skimp. It needs to be fast (as this one is). If you just want to read static error codes, etc... you can get a cheap one (or just take the car to a local auto parts store). I originally started with a Garmin EcoRoute OBD port reader, but it would not send enough of the right kind of data, fast enough to be of any use. It woked ok with my Garmin 500 GPS, but it only displayed fuel consumption averages over several minute time spans. The setup i'm using now shows fuel consumption in near real time, which means you get feed back as you are accelerating, shifting, braking, coasting, etc... I've improved my fuel economy by 5MPG since I've started paying attention to this stuff. I've also changed the route I take to work as a result, as I've learned the idea driving conditions for optimizing fuel economy. |
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| Author: | Diamondeye [ Fri Nov 01, 2013 9:06 am ] |
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Man you people drive some fancy cars. My 2010 Sonata has a CD player and a radio and that's about it. My Dodge pickup I traded in had a cassette player! Where do you find cars that have all these gadgets? |
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| Author: | Kaffis Mark V [ Fri Nov 01, 2013 9:45 am ] |
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If the ODB link thing is the thing I think it is, it connects to the diagnostic port that pretty much all modern cars have had for the past decade (or two?) that mechanics use to get diagnostic information from the electronics. |
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| Author: | Midgen [ Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:32 am ] |
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Any car made for sale in the US after 1996 has an OBD port of some kind. OBD stands for On Board Diagnostics (I have a bad habit of transposing the B and the D). Some people refer to them as "Computer Ports" or "Diagnostic Ports". I guarantee your Sonata has one. Usually under the dash somewhere around your left knee. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On-board_diagnostics wiki wrote:
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| Author: | Diamondeye [ Fri Nov 01, 2013 11:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Police ticket Google Glass-wearing driver |
Huh. I always figured that sort of thing was in the engine compartment somewhere. |
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| Author: | Micheal [ Fri Nov 01, 2013 12:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Police ticket Google Glass-wearing driver |
Diamondeye wrote: Huh. I always figured that sort of thing was in the engine compartment somewhere. You aren't alone. So did I. |
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