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Author:  Elmarnieh [ Fri Nov 22, 2013 10:12 am ]
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http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/11/21/2 ... obama.html

WASHINGTON — The nation’s largest news organizations lodged a complaint Thursday against the White House for imposing unprecedented limitations on photojournalists covering President Barack Obama, which they say have harmed the public’s ability to monitor its own government.

The organizations accuse the White House of banning photojournalists from covering Obama at some events, and then later releasing its own photos and videos of the same events.

“Journalists are routinely being denied the right to photograph or videotape the president while he is performing his official duties,” according to a letter the organizations sent to the White House. “As surely as if they were placing a hand over a journalist’s camera lens, officials in this administration are blocking the public from having an independent view of important functions of the executive branch of government.”

Presidents often look for ways to get their own messages out. But media experts say Obama’s administration has developed an aggressive strategy to use social media, including government-sponsored websites and blogs, as well as Twitter, Instagram and Flickr accounts, to circumvent the media’s constitutional duty more than its predecessors have.

“You are only seeing what they want you to see,” said Lucy Dalglish, the dean of the Philip Merrill College of Journalism at the University of Maryland.

White House spokesman Josh Earnest defended the release of photos and videos, saying the practice helps Obama live up to his pledge of transparency by allowing the public to have greater access to the inner workings of the administration when it’s not feasible for news media to be in the room.

“What we’ve done is we’ve taken advantage of new technology to give the American public even greater access to behind-the-scenes footage or photographs of the president doing his job,” Earnest said. “To the American public, that’s a clear win.”

He said the news organizations’ protests were just part of the natural tension between journalists and those they covered.

“The fact that there is a little bit of a disagreement between the press corps and the White House press office about how much access the press corps should have to the president is built into the system,” he said at the daily White House news briefing. “If that tension didn’t exist, then either you or we aren’t doing our jobs.”

Relations between Obama officials and journalists have further deteriorated this year.

News reports last spring indicated that the Justice Department had secretly seized the telephone records of reporters at the Associated Press and investigated a Fox News reporter as a potential criminal for doing his job.

In the most recent situation, the news organizations stressed that they’re referring only to presidential activities of a “fundamentally public nature,” not private or restricted events, including ones that may affect national security. But the White House often says the closed events are private, even though it releases its own photographs of the events.

Examples cited in the letter are Obama’s meetings with the Congressional Hispanic Caucus on July 10, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on July 29 and Pakistani human rights activist Malala Yousafzai on Oct. 11.

In each case, journalists weren’t allowed – and sometimes were unaware – of the event. The White House later released written summaries of the events, along with photos taken by a government photographer.

On Thursday, the presidents of the American Society of News Editors and the Associated Press Media Editors sent a letter to their members urging them to stop using handout photos and video from the White House.

“We must accept that we, the press, have been enablers,” the letter says. “We urge those of you in news organizations to immediately refrain from publishing any of the photographs or videos released by the White House, just as you would refuse to run verbatim a press release from them.”

It’s unclear how many news organizations use handout photographs from the White House. McClatchy-Tribune Information Services generally doesn’t do so unless they were shot in areas that the media don’t expect to have access to, such as the Situation Room or the private residence areas of the White House.

Harry Walker, the director of the McClatchy-Tribune Photo Service, said opening access to events was “the foundation for journalism, not just photojournalism.”

The letter was signed by 38 news organizations, including all the major broadcast and cable networks, wire services, online services and newspapers, including The New York Times, The Washington Post and the McClatchy Co., which owns 30 daily newspapers across the nation.

The White House Correspondents’ Association and White House News Photographers Association also signed the letter. McClatchy’s government and politics editor, Steven Thomma, is the president of the White House Correspondents’ Association.

The letter, which was addressed to White House Press Secretary Jay Carney, a former reporter for Time magazine, requested a meeting to discuss the issue.

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/11/21/2 ... rylink=cpy

Author:  RangerDave [ Fri Nov 22, 2013 11:33 am ]
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White House spokesman Josh Earnest defended the release of photos and videos, saying the practice helps Obama live up to his pledge of transparency by allowing the public to have greater access to the inner workings of the administration when it’s not feasible for news media to be in the room.

War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.

Author:  Taskiss [ Fri Nov 22, 2013 11:50 am ]
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OK, who are you and where is the liberal apologist we all know?

Author:  Arathain Kelvar [ Fri Nov 22, 2013 12:41 pm ]
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Taskiss wrote:
OK, who are you and where is the liberal apologist we all know?


I don't think that's fair. Liberal, yes, but apologist? Not much. He'll justify a policy we don't agree with, but when something comes that is unjustifiable, he'll criticize. Maybe not as loudly.

Author:  Aizle [ Fri Nov 22, 2013 1:32 pm ]
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Have to be honest that I'm torn on this.

I don't like the policy for all the obvious reasons. But at the same time, any of the main channels calling themselves "news" anymore is a joke. They are all just sensationalist whores and I can sympathize with the administration for not wanting to play with their antics.

Author:  Diamondeye [ Fri Nov 22, 2013 1:53 pm ]
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Too bad "freedom of the press" is not limited to when the press is not a bunch of attention-whoring douchebags.

Author:  Aizle [ Fri Nov 22, 2013 2:50 pm ]
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Diamondeye wrote:
Too bad "freedom of the press" is not limited to when the press is not a bunch of attention-whoring douchebags.


I don't believe there is anything that states the press has a right to access. It just has a right to print what it wants. Big difference there.

Author:  Arathain Kelvar [ Fri Nov 22, 2013 3:00 pm ]
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Taskiss,

Here's your apologist. Support for bad policy is not based on practical reasons such as some perception that access would hinder their ability to function or something, it's based on an assertion that the press would mistreat him. Less about the issues, more about a knee-jerk inability to criticize without some sort of caveat.

Author:  Diamondeye [ Fri Nov 22, 2013 3:59 pm ]
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Aizle wrote:
Diamondeye wrote:
Too bad "freedom of the press" is not limited to when the press is not a bunch of attention-whoring douchebags.


I don't believe there is anything that states the press has a right to access. It just has a right to print what it wants. Big difference there.

The article states that the press complaint is about cases of a "fundamentally public natire." I don't seem to recall any such being torn over Bush's free speech zones, even though those were so he could talk without having to shout down hecklers.

Author:  Aizle [ Fri Nov 22, 2013 4:12 pm ]
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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
Taskiss,

Here's your apologist. Support for bad policy is not based on practical reasons such as some perception that access would hinder their ability to function or something, it's based on an assertion that the press would mistreat him. Less about the issues, more about a knee-jerk inability to criticize without some sort of caveat.


Oh for **** sake. :roll:

What part of "I don't like the policy for all the obvious reasons." don't you understand? I'm not sure I can find any smaller words, but I supposed I could type slower or something...

Author:  Arathain Kelvar [ Fri Nov 22, 2013 5:21 pm ]
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Aizle wrote:
Arathain Kelvar wrote:
Taskiss,

Here's your apologist. Support for bad policy is not based on practical reasons such as some perception that access would hinder their ability to function or something, it's based on an assertion that the press would mistreat him. Less about the issues, more about a knee-jerk inability to criticize without some sort of caveat.


Oh for **** sake. :roll:

What part of "I don't like the policy for all the obvious reasons." don't you understand? I'm not sure I can find any smaller words, but I supposed I could type slower or something...


What part of "inability to criticize without some sort of caveat" don't you understand?

Sure, you don't like the policy, but you know how it is, people are just so hard on him. It's just so hard to live up to your own promises, you know?

Author:  Taskiss [ Fri Nov 22, 2013 6:03 pm ]
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I suppose, Arathain... but.

There comes a time when dealing with a person that lies where you realize you can't trust what they say. That's phase 1.

Phase 2 is when you don't trust the person, but you realize that, in all fairness, you should give them the benefit of the doubt.

Then there's phase 3. You've been lied to so many times that if the liar says "blue", you know without a shadow of a doubt that, when you look, you'll see red.

I realize that everyone has a different tolerance for dealing with a liar. I also know that my tolerance isn't the highest...but I do have an unshakable respect for the office of the executive and I'm willing to accept what I don't understand, far, far longer than many here have shown themselves to be willing to. Even now, I respect the office, so I zig and zag, never outright calling the president a liar, call for his impeachment, etc. There's still some small possibility that he's being insulated from the facts, dancing on the strings tugged upon by a hidden puppet master, totally unknowing of the falsehoods being promoted.

But, now all I see is red, and those that see any color other than crimson are, in my opinion, apologists.

Author:  DFK! [ Sun Nov 24, 2013 11:04 am ]
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Aizle wrote:
They are all just sensationalist whores and I can sympathize with the administration for not wanting to play with their antics.


The 4th estate being impartial and "newsy" until recently is a myth, really. They may be more sensationalist now, but they've always been pretty partisan hacks throughout US history.

It just used to be more transparent, is all.

Author:  Arathain Kelvar [ Mon Nov 25, 2013 7:31 am ]
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Taskiss wrote:
I suppose, Arathain... but.

There comes a time when dealing with a person that lies where you realize you can't trust what they say. That's phase 1.

Phase 2 is when you don't trust the person, but you realize that, in all fairness, you should give them the benefit of the doubt.

Then there's phase 3. You've been lied to so many times that if the liar says "blue", you know without a shadow of a doubt that, when you look, you'll see red.

I realize that everyone has a different tolerance for dealing with a liar. I also know that my tolerance isn't the highest...but I do have an unshakable respect for the office of the executive and I'm willing to accept what I don't understand, far, far longer than many here have shown themselves to be willing to. Even now, I respect the office, so I zig and zag, never outright calling the president a liar, call for his impeachment, etc. There's still some small possibility that he's being insulated from the facts, dancing on the strings tugged upon by a hidden puppet master, totally unknowing of the falsehoods being promoted.

But, now all I see is red, and those that see any color other than crimson are, in my opinion, apologists.


I'm with you, but it may just be those folks are still in the zig and zag phase. Benefit of the doubt vs making excuses is where I draw the line.

Author:  RangerDave [ Mon Nov 25, 2013 11:14 am ]
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The problem with your view, Taskiss, is that it assumes the person in question is, in fact, a liar, and that you aren't simply so biased yourself that you mistakenly perceive honest disagreement to be bald-faced lying (and vice-versa, at times). I think a lot of people on this board are guilty of doing that when it comes to the Dems in general and, for some reason, Obama in particular.

Author:  Arathain Kelvar [ Mon Nov 25, 2013 11:57 am ]
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Now here's an epic apologist.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/24/politics/presidents-lie/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

Author:  Taskiss [ Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:07 pm ]
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RangerDave wrote:
The problem with your view, Taskiss, is that it assumes the person in question is, in fact, a liar, and that you aren't simply so biased yourself that you mistakenly perceive honest disagreement to be bald-faced lying (and vice-versa, at times). I think a lot of people on this board are guilty of doing that when it comes to the Dems in general and, for some reason, Obama in particular.

Consider the evidence aggregated on a site that I just found just googling the topic , RD - http://obamalies.net/list-of-lies

Now, while there are issues I have with certain individual items on that list, the list illustrates the scope of the issue I have.

Author:  Hopwin [ Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:32 pm ]
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Arathain Kelvar wrote:

So... the cover story is to slander ex-presidents (including dead ones) as an excuse for this president lying? That is seriously a new low.

Author:  Midgen [ Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:07 pm ]
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I'm pretty sure that tactic is standard operating procedure around here.

I fully expect a couple of posts defending it to show up here shortly....

Author:  Hannibal [ Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:14 pm ]
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Dont worry, Hillary will promise to clean all this mess up when elected....

Author:  RangerDave [ Wed Nov 27, 2013 10:23 am ]
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Hopwin wrote:
So... the cover story is to slander ex-presidents (including dead ones) as an excuse for this president lying? That is seriously a new low.

It's not slander if it's true. Not that "but he did it first!" is a valid excuse, mind you.

Author:  Aizle [ Wed Nov 27, 2013 10:25 am ]
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RangerDave wrote:
Hopwin wrote:
So... the cover story is to slander ex-presidents (including dead ones) as an excuse for this president lying? That is seriously a new low.

It's not slander if it's true. Not that "but he did it first!" is a valid excuse, mind you.


I believe the actual point of the article is to claim that lying is a necessity of the job.

Author:  Hopwin [ Wed Nov 27, 2013 10:30 am ]
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Midgen wrote:
I'm pretty sure that tactic is standard operating procedure around here.

I fully expect a couple of posts defending it to show up here shortly....

You win.

Author:  Arathain Kelvar [ Wed Nov 27, 2013 10:47 am ]
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Aizle wrote:
RangerDave wrote:
Hopwin wrote:
So... the cover story is to slander ex-presidents (including dead ones) as an excuse for this president lying? That is seriously a new low.

It's not slander if it's true. Not that "but he did it first!" is a valid excuse, mind you.


I believe the actual point of the article is to claim that lying is a necessity of the job.


Correct. Since Obama is so clearly lying at this point, apologists are having a much harder time making excuses for him. If you can take a step back and make excuses for the act of lying, then suddenly Obama's just doing his job.

Author:  Midgen [ Wed Nov 27, 2013 10:51 am ]
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Hopwin wrote:
Midgen wrote:
I'm pretty sure that tactic is standard operating procedure around here.

I fully expect a couple of posts defending it to show up here shortly....

You win.


Cool! What did I win?

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