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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 1:26 pm 
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http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/ ... 12319.html

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Canada's top court has overturned all restrictions on prostitution, declaring that existing laws violated sex workers' right to safety.

The Supreme Court of Canada struck down bans on brothels, street solicitation, and living on the earnings of prostitution in a unanimous 9-0 decision on Friday, and gave the Canadian government one year to re-write the country's prostitution laws.

The impugned laws deprive people engaged in a risky, but legal, activity of the means to protect themselves against those risks.

While prostitution itself is technically legal in Canada, most prostitution-related activities were previously considered criminal offences.

In the decision, Chief Justice Beverley McLachlin said many prostitutes "have no meaningful choice" but to "engage in the risky economic activity of prostitution," and that the law should not make such activities more dangerous.

"It makes no difference that the conduct of pimps and johns is the immediate source of the harms suffered by prostitutes," McLachlin wrote.

"The impugned laws deprive people engaged in a risky, but legal, activity of the means to protect themselves against those risks."

The legal challenge to Canada's prostitution laws was brought by a group of sex workers who argued that the now-overturned restrictions put them in danger.

Katrina Pacey, a lawyer for the petitioners, called it "an unbelievably important day for the sex workers but also for human rights."

"The court recognized that sex workers have the right to protect themselves and their safety," she said.

Last year, a lower court in the province of Ontario struck down the ban on brothels on the grounds that it exposed sex workers to more danger.

Friday's ruling comes 34 years after the Supreme Court last upheld Canada's anti-prostitution laws.

Prostitution is legal in much of Europe and Latin America, and brothels are legal in numerous countries, including the Netherlands, Germany and Switzerland.


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Good for them, prostitution being illegal is dumb.


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That is a shame since such a high proportion of prostitutes are slaves.

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Prostitution was already legal; how is giving them the ability to protect themselves a shame?


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Besides, it's the legal restrictions on prostitution that make most of that slavery possible and profitable.

Anyway, those restrictions aren't lifted yet. They remain in place for 1 year, or until the Fed replaces them with new laws that are not deemed unconstitutional, whichever comes first. The supreme court gave them the year to get their act together.

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Selling is legal. **** is legal. Why isn't selling **** legal?

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Talya wrote:
Besides, it's the legal restrictions on prostitution that make most of that slavery possible and profitable.


No, the fact that people will pay for sex makes sexual slavery possible and profitable. If it were legal it might increase supply but it would not cut into the profit margin of collecting money for rape and not paying the victim.

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^-- lol, so many assumptions.

If there is a safe avenue with which women can accept money for sex, there's no problem. Look at the bunny ranch areas of Nevada. None of those women are slaves, none of them are abused (unless they like it and it's paid for).

It's like making guns illegal; make owning them a crime and the only people with guns will be criminals.

Pimps exist for the same reason that drug dealers exist, there's no legal avenues for people to get what they want. It's going to happen either way, but things being legal and monitored is how you make everyone involved more safe.


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It's not just assumptions. There's a fair bit of ignoring reality, too.

Legalizing prostitution would essentially eliminate sex slave trade if it exists in your country.

There's a few reasons for this.

(1) Criminal activity is risky, and expensive. In order for it to be worthwhile, they'd need to charge much less than legal prostitution, because of (a) increased risk of legal ramifications to the johns, (b) increased risk of disease, and (c) lack of ability to advertise and create demand for your slaves.

(2) Legal brothels and escorts would have certificates for being disease free, they could control the conditions under which they work, and they could freely advertise. That would give them a massive advantage over criminal avenues of prostitution and would relegate the slave trade to niche sadistic fantasies.

(3) The sex slave trade would remain illegal. This wouldn't make it any harder to catch them or find them.

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Nowhere in the article does it discuss WHY the laws make prostitution more dangerous.

Terrible writing.


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The high court struck down all three prostitution-related laws: against keeping a brothel, living on the avails of prostitution, and street soliciting. The landmark ruling comes more than two decades after the Supreme Court last upheld the country's anti-prostitution laws.

The decision upheld an Ontario Court of Appeal ruling last year that struck down the ban on brothels on the grounds that it endangered sex workers by forcing them onto the streets.


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Müs wrote:
Selling is legal. **** is legal. Why isn't selling **** legal?


Selling is legal. Children are legal. Why isn't selling children legal?

Oh wait...

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I'm not for prostitution, nor could I in good conscience support a law supporting it. However I wonder how much resources we spend enforcing it and wonder about what we get for our investment.

To me the moral difference in having a prostitute and picking up some random partner in a bar and fornicating with them is pretty slim. Why vilify one and ignore the moral and social problems of the other? (Assuming we can make sure both are consentual)

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Also does a ban on stealing endanger thieves by making them have to break and enter?

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Talya wrote:
It's not just assumptions. There's a fair bit of ignoring reality, too.

Legalizing prostitution would essentially eliminate sex slave trade if it exists in your country.

There's a few reasons for this.

(1) Criminal activity is risky, and expensive. In order for it to be worthwhile, they'd need to charge much less than legal prostitution, because of (a) increased risk of legal ramifications to the johns, (b) increased risk of disease, and (c) lack of ability to advertise and create demand for your slaves.

(2) Legal brothels and escorts would have certificates for being disease free, they could control the conditions under which they work, and they could freely advertise. That would give them a massive advantage over criminal avenues of prostitution and would relegate the slave trade to niche sadistic fantasies.

(3) The sex slave trade would remain illegal. This wouldn't make it any harder to catch them or find them.


That's a nice theory, but the reality is that because the sex trade will continue being a social stigma, it will still tend to take place out of the public eye and it will still be very easy to use young people who don't know the law, or their rights (and may not even speak English) outside the boundaries of the law. The "legit" prostitutes can even be used as a smoke screen when the inspector comes calling.

This is true in any low-paying work that requires no real education or skills, but it is more true in activities that people wish to keep hidden even though it's legal.

It might somewhat reduce the illegal/involuntary sex trade, but it's definitely not going to "essentially eliminate" it.

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The resources currently used to enforce the law of illegal prostitution can now be used to investigate and prosecute those who actively enslave and traffic women. At least that's how we play it in Australia...

But then there will always be those who think a lap dance is better when the stripper is crying :twisted: :popcorn:


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Hopefully existing local limitations/zoning on sexually oriented business would still apply

Also I agree with DE and Lydia that there is always going to be market for something beyond whatever (however nominal and "reasonable") restrictions/regulations, and those already experienced in black market sex will be positioned to deliver. Also I'd imagine there will be existing workers who cannot/want not to abide by the those restrictions and regulations as well. I think it's short sighted to assume that every pimp and ho is going to immediately go apply for a license or go out of business.

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Lydiaa wrote:
The resources currently used to enforce the law of illegal prostitution can now be used to investigate and prosecute those who actively enslave and traffic women. At least that's how we play it in Australia...

But then there will always be those who think a lap dance is better when the stripper is crying :twisted: :popcorn:


From what I understand, the laws on prostitution in Australia are widely varied from state to state.

I've read a blog by a whiny Australian prostitute ***** that in whatever state she lives in, it's illegal and that she can't move to another state because.. well, because (she never really gave a reason that didn't amount to "I just don't want to.") In Australia, you're going to have an issue with Chinese and other east Asian prositutes wanting to come down there for mone and greater freedom.

What I thought was hilarious from this woman's blog, and reflected in the occaional blog of some educated, high-class Western call girl who has a degree but just decides to go into prostitution because $1,000 an hour, was that her experience as an educated westerner who decided to make mad bux rather than the merely comfortable salary/wage she could have made with her actual job skills is reflective of prostitutes in general, especially in poorer countries with more restricted political systems. Yeah, you can go to China and find regular old prostitutes who ply their trade more or less freely.. that doesn't mean the sex slaves don't also exist. You just don't get to see them. The bosses are smart.

They know perfectly well that you (as in the western prostitute visiting china) will go back and talk on your blog about how sex slaves don't exist, because you saw free prostitutes! They know perfectly well that you want to believe that so that you can whine and moan about how prostitution restrictions are only a result of uptight moralists (no doubt religious!) and the sex slave trade is a scam!

Leaders of organized crime are as smart, savvy, and manipulative as any politician, and can come up with a plan as well as any general. They also know that there's always going to be an illegal market, even for things you can get legally. Someone is always at least going to want to avoid taxes, regulations, or publicity (especially the last, for people paying for sex).

There's arguments to be made for legalized prostitution, but they have to be made without the fantasy that it will eliminate illegal prostitution.

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