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| Author: | LadyKate [ Tue Dec 08, 2009 3:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Manhattan Declaration |
Is anyone talking about this yet? http://www.manhattandeclaration.org/ |
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| Author: | Khross [ Tue Dec 08, 2009 3:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manhattan Declaration |
That's appalling in its apostasy. |
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| Author: | Micheal [ Tue Dec 08, 2009 3:44 pm ] |
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How do you see it as abandoning one's religion to sign that Khross? Note: I won't be, but it seems to fall in line with the core beliefs of several major religions. |
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| Author: | darksiege [ Tue Dec 08, 2009 3:48 pm ] |
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Robert George, Timothy George and Chuck Colson... three more individuals added to the list of people in this world who can kiss my backside. |
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| Author: | LadyKate [ Tue Dec 08, 2009 4:01 pm ] |
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darksiege wrote: Robert George, Timothy George and Chuck Colson... three more individuals added to the list of people in this world who can kiss my backside. Why? And Khross, "why?" on yours as well. |
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| Author: | Stathol [ Tue Dec 08, 2009 4:26 pm ] |
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/em stirs the **** Signatories include James Dobson, Jonathan Falwell, and Jack Graham |
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| Author: | darksiege [ Tue Dec 08, 2009 5:19 pm ] |
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because they are just pushing a message of intolerance. The entire concept behind lets all unite against gays and against abortion is intolerant, and it is getting really irritating that people keep trying to force everyone to live in their happy world. Every time I think I am coming to terms with Christ and beginning to get beyond my crisis of faith; some bunch of douche-nozzles steps up and really makes me ashamed to think that their God may really be the one that exists. |
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| Author: | Müs [ Tue Dec 08, 2009 5:19 pm ] |
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TL;DR. More religious nonsense. |
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| Author: | LadyKate [ Tue Dec 08, 2009 5:25 pm ] |
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darksiege wrote: because they are just pushing a message of intolerance. The entire concept behind lets all unite against gays and against abortion is intolerant, and it is getting really irritating that people keep trying to force everyone to live in their happy world. Every time I think I am coming to terms with Christ and beginning to get beyond my crisis of faith; some bunch of douche-nozzles steps up and really makes me ashamed to think that their God may really be the one that exists. If I based my faith on other people's example, I'd still be stuck in my own crisis of faith. I heard about this Manhatten Project for the first time this morning while listening to Rick&Bubba on the radio (I love their show, haha!) so I googled it when I got to work. |
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| Author: | Lydiaa [ Tue Dec 08, 2009 5:34 pm ] |
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Organised religion, now organised religionS *sigh*... When will people learn to fix themselves before they fix others... When their scriptures told those who has never sinned to cast the first stone, they obviously did not get the meaning behind that phrase >.< |
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| Author: | LadyKate [ Tue Dec 08, 2009 5:37 pm ] |
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Lydiaa wrote: Organised religion, now organised religionS *sigh*... When will people learn to fix themselves before they fix others... When their scriptures told those who has never sinned to cast the first stone, they obviously did not get the meaning behind that phrase >.< The way I understood their explanation was that it wasn't so much of a judging other people thing so much as it was a shout out to the government of 'this is what I refuse to do as a Christian, even if the Govt tells me to do so.' |
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| Author: | Aizle [ Tue Dec 08, 2009 5:44 pm ] |
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LadyKate wrote: Lydiaa wrote: Organised religion, now organised religionS *sigh*... When will people learn to fix themselves before they fix others... When their scriptures told those who has never sinned to cast the first stone, they obviously did not get the meaning behind that phrase >.< The way I understood their explanation was that it wasn't so much of a judging other people thing so much as it was a shout out to the government of 'this is what I refuse to do as a Christian, even if the Govt tells me to do so.' You are always free to do that. Just be prepared for the consequences. |
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| Author: | Lydiaa [ Tue Dec 08, 2009 5:47 pm ] |
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I should elaborate. My hate for organised religion are that there will always be some sheeple who take it too far and cause harm. I see it as “the road to hell are paved with the best intentions”. 1 nut job may sit at home polishing his gun. A mob of sane/semi-sane people would cause that nut job to use his gun. Of course I could just be cynical. Quote: The way I understood their explanation was that it wasn't so much of a judging other people thing so much as it was a shout out to the government of 'this is what I refuse to do as a Christian, even if the Govt tells me to do so. I understand where you're coming from LK. Going through their site it seems they want to portray their faith as non-negotiable, which is fine within their church. However what happeneds when their faith meets law? What happeneds when an un-movable block meets an unstoppable force? By declaring their faith to be before their law, by declaring it to be non-negotiable, they have set themselves up for this. Well plus the nutjob thing I talked about above. |
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| Author: | Hopwin [ Tue Dec 08, 2009 5:51 pm ] |
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They misspelled colosseum. Other than that I am staying out of this. My beliefs are my own and I hope my own morality is reflected by my actions and the life I lead, there is no need to "declare" them or use them as a yardstick to measure others against. |
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| Author: | FarSky [ Tue Dec 08, 2009 5:54 pm ] |
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I've come to truly dislike the idea that Christians (and the Right as a whole) define themselves in terms of what they're against, not what they're for. It is for this reason, as well as ambivalence (on the legality) of the first point (not to be confused with support), finding the third to be victim-card overreaction to perceived slights, and disagreeing in the most strenuous possible manner with the second point that I cannot find use in this. |
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| Author: | Mookhow [ Tue Dec 08, 2009 5:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manhattan Declaration |
So, a bunch of Christians are getting together to build the A-bomb? |
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| Author: | Vindicarre [ Tue Dec 08, 2009 7:18 pm ] |
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Hopwin wrote: They misspelled colosseum. Coliseum is a perfectly fine spelling. |
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| Author: | Monte [ Tue Dec 08, 2009 8:53 pm ] |
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What I will never figure out is why Christians seem to feel entitled to a legal system that forces their values on to all people, regardless of creed. |
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| Author: | FarSky [ Tue Dec 08, 2009 8:59 pm ] |
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Um, dude...pretty much every group feels entitled to a legal system that forces their values onto all people, regardless of creed. That's why there are sixty bajillion lobbyists. And for ****'s sake, stop over-generalizing. You get all pissy when someone refers to "liberals" being in favor of something you in particular aren't. Don't do it to others. Hell, going by the demographics, African-Americans killed gay marriage in the state of California, and I don't see you railing against black people. |
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| Author: | Kaffis Mark V [ Tue Dec 08, 2009 9:06 pm ] |
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Monte wrote: What I will never figure out is why Christians seem to feel entitled to a legal system that forces their values on to all people, regardless of creed. Probably the same reason Atheists do. |
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| Author: | Stathol [ Tue Dec 08, 2009 9:08 pm ] |
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FarSky wrote: *words* A million times, this. Or the shorter, snarkier answer to your query: Monte wrote: What I will never figure out is why Christians seem to feel entitled to a legal system that forces their values on to all people, regardless of creed. Pretty much for the same reason that you feel this way. |
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| Author: | Beryllin [ Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manhattan Declaration |
I read the declaration word for word, there is nothing there I disagree with. /signed |
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| Author: | Khross [ Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manhattan Declaration |
Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's ... In this case, it's the law. |
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| Author: | LadyKate [ Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Manhattan Declaration |
Khross wrote: Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's ... In this case, it's the law. Yeah, they mentioned that part of the bible on the talk show, and another part of the bible (can't remember maybe bery can help out), and the idea was basically yes follow authority up and until they divert from God's path. And this is what they are saying, that those issued outlined are diverging from God's path and so the "render unto Caesar" thing doesn't jive when the Government goes that far. |
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| Author: | Monte [ Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:48 am ] |
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FarSky wrote: Um, dude...pretty much every group feels entitled to a legal system that forces their values onto all people, regardless of creed. That's why there are sixty bajillion lobbyists. However, not everyone is doing that from a religious standpoint. Not every opinion or view is a religious view. We have a secular society for a reason. More and more, every day, I see religious folks on TV, cable news, this board, and in our general public discourse talking about how *their* values are all of *our* values. I have friends that are treated as second class citizens because of this inexplicably acceptable allowance we give to religious organizations to hoist their crap on the rest of the country. When the government is making laws based on the views of a particular religion, that law violates the establishment clause. Religions do not have a right to have their religious rules, morals, and laws, made into secular law. We have the freedom to worship in this country, but that does not inherently include an entitlement to have the particulars of any given form of worship crafted into law. You are right, though. It is a generalization. Quote: And for ****'s sake, stop over-generalizing. You get all pissy when someone refers to "liberals" being in favor of something you in particular aren't. Correction. I get pissy when someone refers to Liberals as being in favor of something that liberals, in general, are not. Quote: Don't do it to others. I tell you what - you start holding others to this standard and I will make an effort to do as you ask. That means any time someone says something as asinine as "religion of peace", you jump their ****. Quote: Hell, going by the demographics, African-Americans killed gay marriage in the state of California, and I don't see you railing against black people. Actually, I did exactly that when that happened. I talked about the undercurrent of homophobia in the black community, and how it impacted that particular vote. |
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