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Author: | Hopwin [ Wed Feb 19, 2014 7:55 am ] |
Post subject: | Gay Marriage is Ruining the Economy |
But so is marriage in general apparently http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-1 ... onomy.html Quote: Worsening U.S. Divorce Rate Points to Improving Economy
By Steve Matthews Feb 18, 2014 9:12 AM ET 381 Comments Email Print Hard economic times had kept Amy Derose and her husband Lawrence locked in an unhappy marriage for the sake of their engineering firm in Pompano Beach, Florida. “The business was hanging on by a thread and we had to hang on,” said Derose, 53, who had been married 35 years and worked as the business manager. “We couldn’t afford to split. He needed me in the business and I needed him.” With Florida’s economy and housing market recovering, “we are definitely on the upswing” and revenue is rising at their 24-employee company. That is allowing the couple to move forward with their divorce this month after years of showing up to work as if nothing were wrong personally. Now, she is looking for a job and “couldn’t be happier.” The number of Americans getting divorced rose for the third year in a row to about 2.4 million in 2012, after plunging in the 18-month recession ended June 2009, according to U.S. Census Bureau data. Whatever the social and emotional impact, the broad economic effects of the increase are clear: It is contributing to the formation of new households, boosting demand for housing, appliances and furnishings and spurring the economy. Divorces are also prompting more women to enter the labor force. “As the economy normalizes, so too do family dynamics,” said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s Analytics Inc. in West Chester, Pennsylvania. “Birth rates and divorce rates are rising. We may even see them rise strongly in the next couple of years, as households who put off these life-changing events decide to act.” 40-Year Low Divorces were at a 40-year low in 2009, according to Jessamyn Schaller, an economics professor at the University of Arizona in Tucson, citing data from the federal government’s National Center for Health Statistics. The divorce rate more than doubled between 1940 and 1981 before falling a third by 2009, according to figures from NCHS, based in Hyattsville, Maryland. The rise in divorces has coincided with an increase in household formation. Almost 5.3 million households have been formed in the past four years after the figure slumped to fewer than 400,000 in 2009, according to the Census Bureau. That is bolstering the need for apartments, condos and furnishings. “Separations and divorce often create additional housing demand by creating two households when there was one,” said David Crowe, chief economist at the National Association of Home Builders in Washington. Construction Rebound That has contributed to the rebound in home construction. Housing starts surged 67 percent to 923,400 in 2013 from 2009, according to Commerce Department data. Multifamily housing starts have almost tripled since the recession and accounted for 33 percent of residential construction in 2013, up from 20 percent in 2009. Newly single men have been renting apartments in suburban markets as they seek to stay close to their children and attend school events, said Gregory Mutz, AMLI Residential Properties Trust chief executive officer. The Chicago-based company develops and acquires luxury apartments in the U.S. “In unhappy marriages, they have started having the macroeconomic ability to unwind,” he said. That is creating “a little bit of a tailwind” for apartments. About 150,000 divorces were postponed or avoided between 2009 and 2011, said Philip Cohen, a sociology professor at the University of Maryland in College Park who linked breakups to the economic cycle in a January 2014 paper. Unemployment Tie Both marriages and dissolutions are tied to unemployment, University of Arizona’s Schaller found in a May 2012 paper. Each one percentage point increase in the jobless rate is associated with a 1.5 percent decrease in the marriage rate and 1.7 percent drop in the divorce rate, she calculated. Unemployment slid to a five-year low of 6.6 percent in January from 10 percent in October 2009. Home prices increased 22 percent in third quarter of last year compared with the first quarter of 2012, partially recovering a 35 percent drop from 2006’s second quarter, according to the S&P Case-Shiller U.S. Home Price index. Rising stock and home prices are giving couples greater financial security. Household net worth for the third quarter last year was more than $8 trillion above its pre-recession peak of $69 trillion reached in same period in 2007, data from the Federal Reserve showed in December. In Florida and Arizona, two states that saw home-price gains after severe drops, divorce rates rebounded in 2011 to above 2008 levels, according to the health-statistics agency. Start Thinking Now that “home prices are going up many people who were postponing their divorce might start thinking about it,” said Abdur Chowdhury, a professor at Marquette University in Milwaukee, and an adviser to the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago. The economist published a July 2011 paper that examined the impact of recessions on divorce. “In many cases after divorce, people sell their homes and divide up the proceeds,” he said, which provides “each of them with a nest egg to begin their separate lives.” Attorney Sandra Bonfiglio saw her family law practice in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, rebound last year close to 2009 levels after dropping 20 percent in 2010 near the worst of the state’s housing crisis, she said. When the real estate bubble popped, “people did not have enough money to litigate,” she said. Breakups had been complicated because couples jointly owned homes with loans that exceed their value, she said. While an improving economy may be allowing more divorces, there can be high costs -- both emotional and financial -- for those involved, especially women. Economic Necessity Divorced women are more likely than married women to be working or seeking jobs because of “economic necessity,” said Ariane Hegewisch, study director for the Institute for Women’s Policy Research in Washington. “Women may carry a greater burden of the costs of child care, but also to be more restrained in the paid work they can earn as primary caregiver for their family,” she said. An estimated 67 percent of divorced women were in the labor force in 2011, compared with 60 percent of married women and 58 percent for all women, according to the U.S. Labor Department. The unemployment rate for women fell to 5.9 percent in January. After a breakup, women’s per capita household incomes drop as much as 15 percent, and they have higher poverty rates, said Nicholas Wolfinger, sociology professor at the University of Utah. “Divorce takes a devastating economic toll on women,” he said. Paralegal Studies After Stephanie Jackson and her husband divorced in December, the 41-year-old mother of two said she has gotten a part-time job as a bookkeeper while studying to be a paralegal. She estimates her income will be about $6,000 this year and has lost her health insurance. “I have gone from an upper-middle-class mom to being a welfare mom,” said Jackson, whose children are nine and 13. “I am on food stamps and free lunches.” Even so, ending an unhappy marriage was “worth every moment of hardship,” said Jackson, of Lilburn, Georgia. “I had to take full ownership of my life, my choices, my future, and my happiness.” In Florida, Derose is now looking for a job, as the business she owned with her husband, Lawrence, will remain with him after the divorce. Lawrence declined to comment because the divorce is still pending. Even with her changed circumstances, “I walk around with a smile on my face,” she said. “I am very happy.” |
Author: | Rorinthas [ Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:56 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Gay Marriage is Ruining the Economy |
If we made it illegal to cohabitate with someone who isn't your spouse or family, imagine what it would do for the economy based on that logic. |
Author: | Diamondeye [ Wed Feb 19, 2014 1:55 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Gay Marriage is Ruining the Economy |
Its correlation, not causation. |
Author: | Hopwin [ Wed Feb 19, 2014 2:25 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Gay Marriage is Ruining the Economy |
Diamondeye wrote: Its correlation, not causation. If you loved America you'd do the right thing and get divorced. |
Author: | Rorinthas [ Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:54 pm ] |
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And my post is satire, not seriousness |
Author: | Diamondeye [ Thu Feb 20, 2014 2:07 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Gay Marriage is Ruining the Economy |
Hopwin wrote: Diamondeye wrote: Its correlation, not cYeausation. If you loved America you'd do the right thing and get divorced. Yeah, then my wife could be one of those women working out of "economic necessity", while raking in the child support. Maybe that's why there's less divorce when the economy is bad- no fat alimony or child support payment from a guy with no job. He may get put in debtors prison, but you still wont see the cash. |
Author: | Hopwin [ Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:20 am ] |
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But with Obamacare she won't be trapped in a job, remember? |
Author: | Diamondeye [ Thu Feb 20, 2014 5:06 pm ] |
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Hopwin wrote: But with Obamacare she won't be trapped in a job, remember? I don't thnink even the staunchest Obamacare proponent argued that Obamacare would pay for things other than medical care. |
Author: | Kaffis Mark V [ Thu Feb 20, 2014 5:27 pm ] |
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Diamondeye wrote: Hopwin wrote: But with Obamacare she won't be trapped in a job, remember? I don't thnink even the staunchest Obamacare proponent argued that Obamacare would pay for things other than medical care. No, but food stamps, welfare, and housing assistance will! And they're on the rise, being expanded and pushed to cover record numbers of people! |
Author: | Diamondeye [ Thu Feb 20, 2014 5:29 pm ] |
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Kaffis Mark V wrote: Diamondeye wrote: Hopwin wrote: But with Obamacare she won't be trapped in a job, remember? I don't thnink even the staunchest Obamacare proponent argued that Obamacare would pay for things other than medical care. No, but food stamps, welfare, and housing assistance will! And they're on the rise, being expanded and pushed to cover record numbers of people! Yes! And even better, women can get alimony and child support and WIC on top of that! |
Author: | Arathain Kelvar [ Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:53 pm ] |
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Kaffis Mark V wrote: Diamondeye wrote: Hopwin wrote: But with Obamacare she won't be trapped in a job, remember? I don't thnink even the staunchest Obamacare proponent argued that Obamacare would pay for things other than medical care. No, but food stamps, welfare, and housing assistance will! And they're on the rise, being expanded and pushed to cover record numbers of people! Food stamps just got cut. |
Author: | Serienya [ Sat Feb 22, 2014 7:31 pm ] |
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Diamondeye wrote: Yes! And even better, women can get alimony and child support and WIC on top of that! Am I doing something wrong? I got none of those things... |
Author: | Diamondeye [ Sun Feb 23, 2014 9:02 pm ] |
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Serienya wrote: Diamondeye wrote: Yes! And even better, women can get alimony and child support and WIC on top of that! Am I doing something wrong? I got none of those things... Most likely yes, you did something wrong. You are not the norm, by any stretch of the imagination. Or, maybe you did something right. It's much easier to represent yourself as strong, independent, and capable when you aren't financially dependent on a former spouse. |
Author: | Jasmy [ Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:40 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Gay Marriage is Ruining the Economy |
Both parents are equally responsible for the welfare of their child(ren), ergo both parents should pay their fair share for the upkeep of their child(ren). I'm a stepmother...my stepson lived with us until his mother met her new man and she wanted to play Mommy! She never paid us a dime towards her son's upkeep...but we damn well had to pay her for his upkeep when she suddenly decided to be a mom. Cost us a fortune at the time to get the child support agreement dismissed because we had supported him for so long and she hadn't. I really hate the way our family courts work! |
Author: | Serienya [ Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:47 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Gay Marriage is Ruining the Economy |
Jasmy wrote: Both parents are equally responsible for the welfare of their child(ren), ergo both parents should pay their fair share for the upkeep of their child(ren). I'm a stepmother...my stepson lived with us until his mother met her new man and she wanted to play Mommy! She never paid us a dime towards her son's upkeep...but we damn well had to pay her for his upkeep when she suddenly decided to be a mom. Cost us a fortune at the time to get the child support agreement dismissed because we had supported him for so long and she hadn't. I really hate the way our family courts work! We do, however, split child care and medical/vision/dental costs equally. In PA, they are technically separate from basic child support, which wasn't a factor because we made nearly equal amounts. |
Author: | Rynar [ Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:46 pm ] |
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I pay 100% of my step-daughter's costs: clothing, food, shelter, healthcare, education... Everything... But I've purchased so much more with that money. Her mother and I never have to consult her delinquent father about how she should be parented. |
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