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Author:  Elmarnieh [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 8:40 am ]
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http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/lou- ... -contempt/

BOSTON, MA – A father is being charged by the state of Massachusetts for speaking about the kidnapping of his daughter and the oppression his family has endured for the last year. After reaching emotional, physical, and financial exhaustion, Lou Pelletier decided that the only way to save his daughter was to speak out and make his daughter’s story as public as possible. Breaking a judge’s so-called “gag order” may cause him to be punished for exercising his right to free speech.

The heartbreaking story began in February 2013 when Lou and Linda Pelletier took their daughter to Boston Children’s Hospital for treatment for influenza. Doctors there attempted to radically change a diagnosis of one of then-14-year-old Justina Pelletier’s existing medical conditions.

In summary, a mitochondrial disorder previously established by her regular physician was reversed and turned into a psychiatric disorder. The doctors of Boston Children’s Hospital wanted to cease treating her for her old diagnosis and start her up on psychotropic drugs. Her family objected and wanted to discharge her from the hospital. That’s when security guards instead removed Lou and Linda from their daughter’s side, and within days they were stripped of custody of Justina.

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Justina Pelletier (Source: Facebook) Justina Pelletier (Source: Facebook)
The Pelletier family suffered for months with limited contact with Justina and frustrating legal battles. To make matters worse, they were threatened by a judge with a “gag order” to not disclose details of the case.

Justina particularly suffered as she remained trapped an alone; detained indefinitely with no indication of being released. Her conditioned worsened as she was no longer being treated for her mitochondrial disorder and was instead being heavily medicated and subjected to “behavioral modification” techniques, which were so disturbing to her father that he called them “torture.” If Justina was caught writing secret notes to her parents — outside of the prisonesque 20-minute phone call and 1-hour visitation she was afforded per week — she was punished. Mr. Pelletier said the way his family has been treated rivals something out of North Korea.

After facing continual disappointment with the justice system, high legal bills, his daughter’s desperate condition, and virtually no notice from the national media, Lou Pelletier decided to break his silence.

Lou Pelletier speaks out. (Source: The Blaze TV) Lou Pelletier speaks out. (Source: The Blaze TV)
“If we don’t do something, she is going to die,” said Mr. Pelletier in an interview with The Blaze, calling the taking of his daughter as “kidnapping.”

The father explained how his daughter was a skilled ice skater just before being seized, and after months of “treatment” has been reduced to a frail, dying child with a receding hairline, bound to a wheelchair, with “no strength below the hips, [and] minimal strength above the hips.” He said she has been “tortured, physically and mentally, for over a year” and nothing has been done to stop it.

“The head games that have been played on Justina are worse than any Stephen King novel,” Pelletier told Glenn Beck.

How to help: www.freejustina.com

He explained that his daughters mitochondrial disease produces colon issues, and requires periodic flushing of the intestines via a colostomy tube. But in the involuntary custody of the state, doctors tell her that these issues are “all in her head,” refusing to continue with any of the old treatments and forcing her to sit on the toilet for hours at a time and will not perform the flushing procedure.

Justina Pelletier with her mother during one of her weekly visits allowed by the hospital. Justina Pelletier with her mother during one of her weekly visits allowed by the hospital.
Lou Pelletier’s calculated risk of going public has had the benefit of reaching the audience of Glenn Beck, and has been met with the financial assistance of concerned viewers of the interview. However, the vengeful, family-destroying Massachusetts Department of Children & Families (DCF) filed charges against Mr. Pelletier for doing the interview and breaking his government-imposed silence.

Whether Judge Joseph Johnston follows through with his threats to punish the Pelletier family for speaking about their own situation remains to be seen. The charges against Lou Pelletier will be weighed in court, and if sustained, he could face additional fines or even jail time.

Such threats must not seem significant to a father doing the only peaceful thing left to save his daughter.

Find out how to help the Pelletier family by visiting www.freejustina.com.
Author:  Arathain Kelvar [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 11:27 am ]
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Holy ****.
Author:  TheRiov [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 12:26 pm ]
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Reading a slightly less alarmist source, and reading between the lines, I've come to the conclusion that the hospital and the doctors there have come to the conclusion that this girl is complaining of ailments but there is no evidence of those ailments beyond her complaints. The parents insist on treating her (out of sympathy?).
The parents are refusing to stop treating the child in a way that the current hospital feels is harmful to the child.


I can easily see a situation where someone, lets say a 15 year old, insists they have major pain in their back to get prescribed narcotics. After it becomes clear to medical professionals that the child is faking it, the parents take the children to another pain doctor to get prescribed more meds, and the cycle repeats. The parents act out of sympathy for the pain the 15 year old describes, the hospital sees it as a druggie looking for another fix. Since the parents are enabling the child, the hospital has no choice but to act in the best interest of the child.

Since the medical records are confidential from the hospital's side, they cannot defend themselves, and the parents are free to assault the hospital verbally in the public forum.


In a day and age when hospitals providing care (particularly for round-the-clock monitoring, etc) is incredibly expensive, (and I'm certain the parents aren't paying the hospital) do you REALLY think the hospital would fight to keep this child in their care and away from the parents out of malice???
Author:  Elmarnieh [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 12:39 pm ]
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What of the initial diagnosis?
Author:  Hopwin [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 12:51 pm ]
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Elmarnieh wrote:
What of the initial diagnosis?

I don't know that a family physician has the tools at his disposal to come up with a mitochondrial disorder and if he did, why did he send them to the hospital to seek treatment?

Upon closer examination of how you diagnose mitochondrial disease I can't imagine any primary care physician having access to do so:

http://www.umdf.org/site/pp.aspx?c=8qKO ... &b=7934633
Author:  Midgen [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 1:00 pm ]
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How do you know who diagnosed her with it?

And what difference does that make?

What justification does the hospital have to remove her from her parents custody? And even worse, what right does a judge have to tell the father he can't speak about it?
Author:  Vindicarre [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 1:29 pm ]
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TheRiov wrote:
Reading a slightly less alarmist source, and reading between the lines, I've come to the conclusion that the hospital and the doctors there have come to the conclusion that this girl is complaining of ailments but there is no evidence of those ailments beyond her complaints. The parents insist on treating her (out of sympathy?).


The parent's treated her on the orders of her doctors at Tuft's Medical center, not out of sympathy.

TheRiov wrote:
The parents are refusing to stop treating the child in a way that the current hospital feels is harmful to the child.

The parents are refusing to stop treating her for mitochondrial disease that she was diagnosed with by experts and for which she was responding well under their care. Under the "current" hospital's care, not so much:
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TheRiov wrote:
I can easily see a situation where someone, lets say a 15 year old, insists they have major pain in their back to get prescribed narcotics. After it becomes clear to medical professionals that the child is faking it, the parents take the children to another pain doctor to get prescribed more meds, and the cycle repeats. The parents act out of sympathy for the pain the 15 year old describes, the hospital sees it as a druggie looking for another fix. Since the parents are enabling the child, the hospital has no choice but to act in the best interest of the child.


I can easily see that being the case if she hadn't been getting treatment for a disease with genetic markers for susceptibility (that her sister has, as well), and if the diagnosis hadn't been from a well respected medical center, and if their insurance company wasn't paying for her legitimate care, and if she hadn't been responding well to treatment. In THIS case, it's obviously not a 15 year old looking to score some narcotics by faking needing a colostomy bag.

TheRiov wrote:
Since the medical records are confidential from the hospital's side, they cannot defend themselves, and the parents are free to assault the hospital verbally in the public forum.

Of course they're "free to assault the hospital verbally", would you sit quietly by as your daughter was denied the treatment she needed, as prescribed by a medical expert?

Hopwin wrote:
Elmarnieh wrote:
What of the initial diagnosis?

I don't know that a family physician has the tools at his disposal to come up with a mitochondrial disorder and if he did, why did he send them to the hospital to seek treatment?

Upon closer examination of how you diagnose mitochondrial disease I can't imagine any primary care physician having access to do so:

http://www.umdf.org/site/pp.aspx?c=8qKO ... &b=7934633


Except in this case a team of medical experts at Tuft's made the original diagnosis (not some small town family practitioner), and that diagnosis was overridden by a doctor 7 months out of college. In addition, if the disease was "in her head" or "in her parents' heads" one would think that after a year of psychological treatment and separation from her parent's, she should be getting better, not worse, yes?
Author:  Vindicarre [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 1:31 pm ]
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Midgen wrote:
And even worse, what right does a judge have to tell the father he can't speak about it?


Exactly my question.
Author:  TheRiov [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 2:53 pm ]
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Since the hospital & doctors cannot defend themselves without breaching patient confidentiality, I am not sure what other option there is.

Are you seriously convinced that multiple courts, judges, multiple medical practitioners, and child services are all in cahoots to keep and 'torture' this child?
Author:  TheRiov [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 3:01 pm ]
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another possibility: Munchausen By Proxy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munchausen_by_proxy
Author:  Müs [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 3:23 pm ]
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TheRiov wrote:
Since the hospital & doctors cannot defend themselves without breaching patient confidentiality, I am not sure what other option there is.

Are you seriously convinced that multiple courts, judges, multiple medical practitioners, and child services are all in cahoots to keep and 'torture' this child?


Its a state hospital. There's huge liability for them if they're proven wrong. The State knows best. Trust the State. The State is Mother, The State is Father.
Author:  Lenas [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 3:42 pm ]
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I'm surprised Riov is siding with The Man on this one.
Author:  Elmarnieh [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 3:44 pm ]
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Organize a local militia and go in and get her, hang all those who stand in your way.

No one would dare do this again.
Author:  TheRiov [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 3:54 pm ]
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Right. And if it turns out that my supposition is correct?
Author:  Elmarnieh [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 4:05 pm ]
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Then they go to jail.

Given the evidence I find it highly unlikely it is and even if it were so its still injustice in action and injustice anywhere is a threat to justice anywhere.
Author:  Müs [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 4:21 pm ]
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Lenas wrote:
I'm surprised Riov is siding with The Man on this one.


You too eh? I thought he'd be all over potential child abuse by The State.
Author:  TheRiov [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 4:23 pm ]
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Elmarnieh wrote:
Then they go to jail.

And the people you hanged because, without all the facts, your anti-government paranoia demanded an armed, violent response complete with summary executions?
Author:  Midgen [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 4:25 pm ]
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TheRiov, what about the girl that is dying in state custody?
Author:  TheRiov [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 4:31 pm ]
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My opinion is not formed. I'm not 'siding' with anyone. I'm stating that you have ONE version of the story and the other side of the story is not allowed to tell their side because a) the individual involved is a minor, b) possibly mentally incompetent c) patient confidentiality rules. I refuse to come to any conclusions knee-jerk or otherwise until more information from an unbiased source comes out.

The shear number of individuals on one side of the argument would lead me to err on the side of the current caregivers and courts instead of the parents.
Author:  TheRiov [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 4:34 pm ]
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The only people who have testified that she is 'dying' are a) not medical professionals b) the same people who are suspect enough that CPS has temporarily stripped them of their parental rights.
Author:  Lenas [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 4:34 pm ]
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Who cares about what the diagnoses were?

Stop glossing over this:

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Her family objected and wanted to discharge her from the hospital. That’s when security guards instead removed Lou and Linda from their daughter’s side, and within days they were stripped of custody of Justina.


Midgen wrote:
What justification does the hospital have to remove her from her parents custody? And even worse, what right does a judge have to tell the father he can't speak about it?


What right does a hospital have to stop parents from discharging their child? Why could they possibly lose custody?

What reason do the parents have to lie about any of this?
Author:  Elmarnieh [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 4:37 pm ]
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TheRiov wrote:
Elmarnieh wrote:
Then they go to jail.

And the people you hanged because, without all the facts, your anti-government paranoia demanded an armed, violent response complete with summary executions?



They are still dead.

Accept abuse or resist. Those are the only two options we ever have in life. The first leads to expanded abuse and abuse of others the second may not. There is only one moral choice.

Oh and maybe you should look at for how long this has been going on. Eventually a man has to come to a point where he stands up for his conviction or he sacrifices his soul. How much would you sacrifice for your daughter's life and liberty Riov?
Author:  TheRiov [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 4:43 pm ]
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TheRiov wrote:
another possibility: Munchausen By Proxy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munchausen_by_proxy

Lenas: Perhaps this?
Author:  Lenas [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 4:45 pm ]
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So you continue to avoid the questions that actually matter and instead you try to label the parents as having a mental disorder without evidence.

Something is wrong here.
Author:  Müs [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 4:46 pm ]
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Yeah... no.

I'd say MBP if the girl had thrived in non parental care. She clearly has not.
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