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| Author: | Hopwin [ Tue May 27, 2014 7:19 pm ] |
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So I started watching The World Wars today and Obama did a nice intro for it. Then it occurred to me that he does a lot of these things. Off the top of my head I know he did a Mythbusters episode intro (redoing Archimedes Death Ray) and Cosmos on Fox. Did Bush and/or Clinton do a lot of this stuff too? |
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| Author: | Kaffis Mark V [ Tue May 27, 2014 10:12 pm ] |
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Bush didn't. I don't remember if Clinton did, but even if he did, it wasn't as much. Reagan didn't, he just had on-camera sitdowns to actually talk about policy with the public. But Obama's a cult of personality, so it kind of necessitates he get his face out on the media this way so he can be duly worshipped and liked for being a black man we historically elected. |
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| Author: | Numbuk [ Tue May 27, 2014 10:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Presidential media |
I think the most Clinton did was appear on some mtv "rock the vote" special where he sat down and took questions from a panel. Maybe played his sax. Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk |
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| Author: | RangerDave [ Wed May 28, 2014 8:48 am ] |
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Kaffis Mark V wrote: But Obama's a cult of personality, so it kind of necessitates he get his face out on the media this way so he can be duly worshipped and liked for being a black man we historically elected. *sigh* You're smarter than this, Kaffis. Hopwin wrote: Did Bush and/or Clinton do a lot of this stuff too. Not while in office, no. A quick Google shows that Bush did do a remote camera appearance on Deal or No Deal, and of course we got all those cutesy/humorous videos of Bush's dog (sometimes co-starring the President, sometimes not), but I think their pop-media appearances were mostly as candidates. It's just the next step in the increasing media exposure trend, though. I mean, Jesus, we now have an official White House Twitter feed. On the one hand, I'm not really a fan of it (other than the dog videos, I confess) - they have deadly serious jobs, and it strikes me as a little demeaning to the office, even when it's just candidates for that office doing it. On the other hand, it's just the Media Age equivalent of ribbon cutting ceremonies, riding/marching in parades, eating at local diners (surrounded by cameras), touring job sites in a hard hat (surrounded by cameras), etc. - it's a way for elected officials to get out in front of the public and humanize themselves as "one of us" - so it's hard for me to get too bent out of shape about it. |
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| Author: | Khross [ Wed May 28, 2014 9:57 am ] |
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RangerDave wrote: Kaffis Mark V wrote: But Obama's a cult of personality, so it kind of necessitates he get his face out on the media this way so he can be duly worshipped and liked for being a black man we historically elected. *sigh* You're smarter than this, Kaffis.You should probably not dismiss a statement that's easily verifiable. |
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| Author: | RangerDave [ Wed May 28, 2014 10:00 am ] |
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Uh...your evidence does not support your conclusion, like, at all. |
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| Author: | TheRiov [ Wed May 28, 2014 10:35 am ] |
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http://www.mrmediatraining.com/2012/04/ ... lons-show/ tl;dr: JFK appeared on Jack Paar as a senator Richard Nixon was on Rowan & Martin's Laugh in in 1968 Ronald Reagan appeared on Tonight Show in 75 Bill Clinton was on Arsenio Hall in 1992 George W. Bush delivered the Top 10 on Letterman in 2000 Sarah Palin appeared on SNL in 2008 Mitt Romney appeared on Leno in 2012 That said, those were all as candidates or potential future candidates at the time. |
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| Author: | Khross [ Wed May 28, 2014 10:50 am ] |
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RangerDave wrote: Uh...your evidence does not support your conclusion, like, at all. It doesn't? Barack Obama's campaign ads, rhetoric, and other statements were almost exclusively propaganda. Any statement he delivers about the ACA to the public IS propaganda, particularly when he issues executive orders that indicate he had no intent of honoring the "If you like your plan, you can keep it" promise. And then there was the race-baiting pandemic of his first term in office. Even members of this forum openly accused his opposition of racism for ANY criticism, both during his campaign and after the inauguration. In point of fact, Barack Obama's handlers had the audacity to create the Office of the President Elect before he assumed office and very liberally interpreted the GSA's responsibility in transitioning from the Shrub.The Obama Channel was just the start, but his entire presidency was contingent upon creating a cult of personality and defeating his opposition through non-substantive rhetoric and social manipulation. Wikipedia wrote: A cult of personality arises when an individual uses mass media, propaganda, or other methods, to create an idealized, heroic, and at times, worshipful image, often through unquestioning flattery and praise. Please, try not to let your affection for the current administration color your perceptions. 4 years of race baiting by the Obama Administration, its handlers, and the media ended that argument. He has his cult of personality, and he's taken great efforts to make sure it's maintained.And, god forbid I mention George Zimmerman, but the President held a press conference to announce that he had ORDERED the Department of Justice take an extra-legal interest in prosecuting him for the moral crime of shooting a black kid. Think about that, RangerDave ... |
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| Author: | TheRiov [ Wed May 28, 2014 11:03 am ] |
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Successful politicians have always cultivated an image of success and used the media to their advantage. |
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| Author: | Khross [ Wed May 28, 2014 11:04 am ] |
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TheRiov wrote: Successful politicians have always cultivated an image of success and used the media to their advantage. There's a difference between cultivating an image of success and an image of irreproachability. Guess which Obama has done?
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| Author: | TheRiov [ Wed May 28, 2014 11:08 am ] |
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But that's not one of the criteria you used for a cult of personality. An image of irreproachably, whether or not its true of the Obama administration, has nothing to do with a cult of personality, and more to do with the political atmosphere of the country, such as China or any other of the various flavors of totalitarian regimes. You can have a cult of personality around a very flawed individual who acknowledges those flaws. |
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| Author: | RangerDave [ Wed May 28, 2014 11:34 am ] |
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Khross wrote: Barack Obama's campaign ads, rhetoric, and other statements were almost exclusively propaganda. No more so than any other politician's campaign ads, rhetoric or other statements. Quote: Any statement he delivers about the ACA to the public IS propaganda, particularly when he issues executive orders that indicate he had no intent of honoring the "If you like your plan, you can keep it" promise. Again, nothing worse there than we get from every President trying to sell a major policy initiative. Remember how much Bush and the Republicans emphasized the sunset features of their tax cuts? Think they ever had any intention of letting them expire? Quote: And then there was the race-baiting pandemic of his first term in office. I agree there was a pandemic of race-baiting. I disagree on which direction it came from. Quote: In point of fact, Barack Obama's handlers had the audacity to create the Office of the President Elect before he assumed office and very liberally interpreted the GSA's responsibility in transitioning from the Shrub. This is very weak tea, and the fact that you cite it is a good indication of how petty and all-encompassing the criticisms and complaints of Obama often are. Quote: The Obama Channel was just the start, but his entire presidency was contingent upon creating a cult of personality and defeating his opposition through non-substantive rhetoric and social manipulation. Again, how is this different than any other major political figure? You don't think the Republicans' courting of the white, evangelical base or their gung-ho patriotism shtick are about non-substantive rhetoric and social manipulation? You don't think Palin, Reagan and Kennedy had equal or greater "cults of personality"? Quote: Please, try not to let your affection for the current administration color your perceptions. Believe it or not, I don't have any great affection for this administration. I think the election of a black man to the Presidency was a huge watershed moment, symbolically speaking, and I think he's done a decent job in office (subject to the minor caveat that I think pretty much the entire leadership of both parties is guilty of war crimes), but that's about it. Quote: And, god forbid I mention George Zimmerman, but the President held a press conference to announce that he had ORDERED the Department of Justice take an extra-legal interest in prosecuting him for the moral crime of shooting a black kid. There's nothing "extra-legal" about a Justice Department inquiry into a case when there are allegations that the locals aren't doing their job for racially discriminatory reasons. You may disagree with the laws that permit such inquiries, but that doesn't make them "extra-legal". |
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| Author: | Elmarnieh [ Wed May 28, 2014 12:12 pm ] |
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He claimed at his inauguration that the tides of the seas would change because of him. I don't see how you can see that as anything else but an egocentric diva playing himself to an adoring legion - a cult of personality. |
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| Author: | TheRiov [ Wed May 28, 2014 12:14 pm ] |
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What was the exact quote? |
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| Author: | Xequecal [ Wed May 28, 2014 12:22 pm ] |
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Elmarnieh wrote: He claimed at his inauguration that the tides of the seas would change because of him. I don't see how you can see that as anything else but an egocentric diva playing himself to an adoring legion - a cult of personality. Yeah, I'm sure he did, just like Al Gore said he invented the Internet and Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from her house, right? |
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| Author: | Elmarnieh [ Wed May 28, 2014 12:25 pm ] |
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You should have learned by now not to try to do this to me Xeq. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2pZSvq9bto |
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| Author: | Xequecal [ Wed May 28, 2014 12:29 pm ] |
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Elmarnieh wrote: You should have learned by now not to try to do this to me Xeq. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2pZSvq9bto Yeah, he's not claiming that he, personally, is going to affect the tides. It's obviously a commentary on global warming and how the oceans will recede if "we are willing to work for it." |
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| Author: | TheRiov [ Wed May 28, 2014 12:37 pm ] |
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Correlation != Causation. You apparently didn't learn this Elmo. He's not stating he's the reason these things change, he's making a statement of purpose, and trying to mark a general change in the political culture; not implying he's the cause. |
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| Author: | Elmarnieh [ Wed May 28, 2014 12:58 pm ] |
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TheRiov wrote: Correlation != Causation. You apparently didn't learn this Elmo. He's not stating he's the reason these things change, he's making a statement of purpose, and trying to mark a general change in the political culture; not implying he's the cause. Yes his inauguration just happens to be the reason that this world changing effect starts. Ok, hows the kool aid? |
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| Author: | RangerDave [ Wed May 28, 2014 1:41 pm ] |
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Elmarnieh wrote: Yes his inauguration just happens to be the reason that this world changing effect starts. It was his acceptance of the nomination, not the inauguration. But either way, you don't think those are kind of, you know, natural moments to highlight as the beginning of a change in direction? Sure, the energy level and "poetic" factor were a bit much for my more curmudgeonly tastes, but whatever. When Reagan talked about American renewal, a second American Revolution, history looking back on the period of his administration as "the golden years", etc. at his nomination speeches and inaugural addresses, was he also fostering a cult of personality, or was he just engaging in the same puffery intended to inspire and rally his audience that Obama was engaging in? |
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| Author: | Diamondeye [ Wed May 28, 2014 2:25 pm ] |
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RangerDave wrote: Khross wrote: Barack Obama's campaign ads, rhetoric, and other statements were almost exclusively propaganda. No more so than any other politician's campaign ads, rhetoric or other statements. Actually, they were significantly more so, mainly because he didn't run against his opponent either time. In both cases, he ran against a Bush/Fey ticket that wasn't actually running against him, and managed to convince the public that was what his opponent was. In the first election, it was largely because of Tina Fey's strikling resemblance to Sarah Palin that people started actually attributing SNL comments to Palin herself; in the second one it had a lot to do with the fact that Romney didn't figure out how to campaign until the first debate. Still, Obama had the "campaign against someone I'm not actually running against" thing down to a science. |
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| Author: | RangerDave [ Wed May 28, 2014 2:36 pm ] |
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Diamondeye wrote: Actually, they were significantly more so, mainly because he didn't run against his opponent either time....Obama had the "campaign against someone I'm not actually running against" thing down to a science. Well then, I guess it's a good thing Obama really is a socialist, Muslim, terrorist from Kenya who hates America, Christians and white people so the Republicans didn't have to rely on such dirty tricks when running against him. Oh, and of course it was fortunate for the Republicans that John Kerry really was a filthy traitor who lied about his military service in order to aid the Vietnamese communists because he hates America. And then there's Bill Clinton who, of course, was a communist drug kingpin who had people murdered, was conspiring with Janet Reno to take away all our guns and install a UN dictatorship, and who, it goes without saying, hates America. |
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| Author: | TheRiov [ Wed May 28, 2014 2:48 pm ] |
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Elmarnieh wrote: Yes his inauguration just happens to be the reason that this world changing effect starts. That is clearly not what he's saying. You're inserting meaning based on your own bias. This may be a bit no-true-Scotsman, but no reasonable listener would take that away from what he was saying. |
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| Author: | Rorinthas [ Wed May 28, 2014 6:59 pm ] |
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Xequecal wrote: Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from her house, right? except she didn't. |
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| Author: | TheRiov [ Wed May 28, 2014 8:20 pm ] |
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That's the point he's making rorithas. Nor did al gore claim he invented the internet. |
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