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Author:  Arathain Kelvar [ Fri Dec 11, 2009 11:25 am ]
Post subject:  Democrats tied with Republicans on Public Approval

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/12/10/gop.congress/index.html

40/39 on who should be running the country. Down 25 points in less than a year. I think the people are catching on.

Author:  Screeling [ Fri Dec 11, 2009 11:30 am ]
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The chickens is comin' home to roost, y'all.

Author:  TheRiov [ Fri Dec 11, 2009 11:43 am ]
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either that or such polls normally swing wildly after post-election high lets down.

Please, lets all jump to conclusions. The American Public is notoriously fickle.

Author:  Arathain Kelvar [ Fri Dec 11, 2009 11:44 am ]
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Screeling wrote:
The chickens is comin' home to roost, y'all.


You know, this really doesn't help to combat the image that Republicans are nothing but a bunch of rednecks....

Author:  Arathain Kelvar [ Fri Dec 11, 2009 11:53 am ]
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TheRiov wrote:
either that or such polls normally swing wildly after post-election high lets down.

Please, lets all jump to conclusions. The American Public is notoriously fickle.


Well, ok. It's down 15 points since 9/2007. Somewhere around 20 points since before the election.

So....

Author:  TheRiov [ Fri Dec 11, 2009 12:12 pm ]
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of course one could argue that the debate over health care has been the biggest factor and the heavy heavy lobbying campaign against the democrats (the heaviest I've ever seen in a non-election year) and 'public option' has a lot to do with it. Anyone got the figures on issue-spending on political advertising this year?

Author:  Screeling [ Fri Dec 11, 2009 12:12 pm ]
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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
Screeling wrote:
The chickens is comin' home to roost, y'all.


You know, this really doesn't help to combat the image that Republicans are nothing but a bunch of rednecks....

I can't tell if you're actually being serious there.

Author:  Monte [ Fri Dec 11, 2009 12:16 pm ]
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TheRiov wrote:
of course one could argue that the debate over health care has been the biggest factor and the heavy heavy lobbying campaign against the democrats (the heaviest I've ever seen in a non-election year) and 'public option' has a lot to do with it. Anyone got the figures on issue-spending on political advertising this year?


Democrats have dropped the ball on Health Care. They have become too frightened of a tiny, extremist and vocal minority, and are ignoring reams of polls that show the public *wants* a robust public option.

So they are losing support at both ends - their base, middle America (both of which want a public option for health care), and of course Republicans (who were never going to support them, anyway).

Author:  Rafael [ Fri Dec 11, 2009 12:33 pm ]
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Saying the public *wants* it is quite a statement.

Author:  Corolinth [ Fri Dec 11, 2009 12:33 pm ]
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After an election, realism sets in and we all realize that Democrats don't give a flying **** about the people, either.

Author:  DFK! [ Fri Dec 11, 2009 12:44 pm ]
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Monte wrote:
Democrats have dropped the ball on Health Care. They have become too frightened of a tiny, extremist and vocal minority, and are ignoring reams of polls that show the public *wants* a robust public option.



Show me those polls.

Show me "minority."

Alternatively, you could stop making things up.

Author:  Khross [ Fri Dec 11, 2009 1:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Democrats tied with Republicans on Public Approval

Montegue:

We can look at very real facts about the situation as well. Republicans have won 33 of the 56 Special Elections that took place since the 2008 Election. Republicans took the governor's office in 2 "blue" states, as far as the 2008 Election went. This seems to suggest that the voting public is displeased with Democratic leadership. At the very least, the voting public is displeased with both sides of the partisan leadership in the nation.

That said, polls indicate that the majority of Americans want no change in their current healthcare situation. These polls have been posted on this forum by DFK! more times than I can count. And, yet, you continue to consider that everyone wants a robust public option. You dismiss all vocal or public opposition to Obama and Democrat policy on anything as extremism, tiny, and fundamentalist; yet, the opposition has the Senate and House; and votes are not going the direction that would dictate support for the Democratic Party of the United States.

The situation, from where I'm sitting, is that the silent majority in the United States has finally decided to speak. They have finally decide to tell the government the following things:

1. We're tired of supporting those who refuse to support themselves.
2. We're tired of footing the bill for rampant borrow and spend governance.
3. We're tired of being told other people are entitled to the fruits of our labor.

I have posted, twice now, an article that explains far more eloquently and brilliantly than I could ever hope to achieve how Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, and John Kerry Commoditized the office of the Presidency; how factionalism in the United States has reduced our governance to an advertising campaign and nothing more. I implore you to read it. The author's name is Slavoj Žižek.

Author:  DFK! [ Fri Dec 11, 2009 1:31 pm ]
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Anecdotally, I've met so many people in my community relations role here that are so fed up with heavy bureaucracy and high taxation it's hard to believe. I mean, most of these people still buy into the false dichotomy of Democrat v. Republican, but many do not. People I've known as long-time-member-of-party-X are "out of the car" as it were.

Author:  Rafael [ Fri Dec 11, 2009 2:14 pm ]
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Khross wrote:
Montegue:

We can look at very real facts about the situation as well. Republicans have won 33 of the 56 Special Elections that took place since the 2008 Election. Republicans took the governor's office in 2 "blue" states, as far as the 2008 Election went. This seems to suggest that the voting public is displeased with Democratic leadership. At the very least, the voting public is displeased with both sides of the partisan leadership in the nation.

That said, polls indicate that the majority of Americans want no change in their current healthcare situation. These polls have been posted on this forum by DFK! more times than I can count. And, yet, you continue to consider that everyone wants a robust public option. You dismiss all vocal or public opposition to Obama and Democrat policy on anything as extremism, tiny, and fundamentalist; yet, the opposition has the Senate and House; and votes are not going the direction that would dictate support for the Democratic Party of the United States.

The situation, from where I'm sitting, is that the silent majority in the United States has finally decided to speak. They have finally decide to tell the government the following things:

1. We're tired of supporting those who refuse to support themselves.
2. We're tired of footing the bill for rampant borrow and spend governance.
3. We're tired of being told other people are entitled to the fruits of our labor.

I have posted, twice now, an article that explains far more eloquently and brilliantly than I could ever hope to achieve how Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, and John Kerry Commoditized the office of the Presidency; how factionalism in the United States has reduced our governance to an advertising campaign and nothing more. I implore you to read it. The author's name is Slavoj Žižek.


While I agree with the indication of electoral results indicating a dissatifaction with Democrats and wishfully think that that is indeed what the American public is trying to tell the government, I don't see how electing Republicans fixes anything.

That's like scrubbing your hands with horseshit to get off the dog ****.

Author:  Khross [ Fri Dec 11, 2009 2:48 pm ]
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Rafael:

That's the problem with false dilemma politics.

Author:  Kaffis Mark V [ Fri Dec 11, 2009 2:57 pm ]
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Wow. Be sure to click through, guys. The article itself is full of doozies.

Democratic support has fallen the furthest in the NorthEast and Pacific Rim? I lived in the NorthEast, and let me tell you; that astounds me. This isn't just remorse in the people who swung Democrat last year after 8 years of Bush; that suggests to me some serious undercurrents of geographical demographic change.

Monte, here's your evidence of a "vocal minority" --
Linked Article from OP wrote:
One of the main sticking points, a public option administered by the federal government that would compete with private insurers, wins support from 53 percent of the public.


That's right. Your "vocal minority" is 47% of the population. Wow, that's so marginal. But, I guess when you're a big government cheerleader, 51% is a mandate that is worth of oppressing the 49%.

Author:  DFK! [ Fri Dec 11, 2009 2:58 pm ]
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Khross wrote:
Rafael:

That's the problem with false dilemma politics.



Speaking of:

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/washing.asp


Might be time for a new sig and avatar for me!

Author:  Khross [ Fri Dec 11, 2009 4:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Democrats tied with Republicans on Public Approval

Quote:
One of the main sticking points, a public option administered by the federal government that would compete with private insurers, wins support from 53 percent of the public.
Here's the problem. Since we have evidence that the majority of Americans want no change in their own healthcare, the poll is rather damning. Since all of the legislation will DRIVE UP the cost of private healthcare, there support Montegue argues for does not exist.

Author:  Arathain Kelvar [ Wed Dec 16, 2009 9:30 pm ]
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Looks like Obama's approval numbers are way down too.

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