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Author:  Diamondeye [ Tue Feb 03, 2015 10:26 am ]
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You might get in trouble.

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A 9-year-old boy in Kermit, Texas, was suspended from school after he told a classmate he could make him disappear with a ring from Mount Doom, a fictional location in J.R.R. Tolkein's The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings series.

Jason Steward, a fourth-grader, told The New York Daily News his son Aiden had recently watched the film, "The Hobbit: The Battle of Five Armies" and that it inspired his imagination.

"I assure you my son lacks the magical powers necessary to threaten his friend's existence," Stewart wrote, "If he did, I'm sure he'd bring him right back."

School officials at Kermit Elementary School took swift action and reportedly suspended the boy for making a terroristic threat.

The boy reportedly faced disciplinary actions in the past. The school would not comment on the allegations.


Remember, if schoolchildren are allowed to turn their friends invisible the terrorists win.

Author:  Mookhow [ Tue Feb 03, 2015 11:14 am ]
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I've seen this article a few times over the last few days, and each time I see it, I struggle to figure out how using the Ring of Power(TM) to make someone invisible can be seen as a threat. Unless the administration is interpreting "disappear" as a euphemism.

Author:  Screeling [ Tue Feb 03, 2015 2:05 pm ]
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Mookhow wrote:
I've seen this article a few times over the last few days, and each time I see it, I struggle to figure out how using the Ring of Power(TM) to make someone invisible can be seen as a threat. Unless the administration is interpreting "disappear" as a euphemism.

Because it makes them a target for Sauron? Why is this so hard to understand?

Author:  RangerDave [ Tue Feb 03, 2015 3:06 pm ]
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I like the father's comment, quoted in the NY Daily News (so apply grains of salt as needed): "I assure you my son lacks the magical powers necessary to threaten his friend’s existence."

Also, it seems his kid has been suspended two other times in the last six months - once for referring to a black kid as "black" and once for bringing a children's encyclopedia called "The Big Book of Knowledge" to school, apparently because his teacher objected to an illustration it had of a pregnant woman. So, yeah...awesome school there.

Author:  Mookhow [ Tue Feb 03, 2015 3:08 pm ]
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I found a blog that independently comments on The Big Book of Knowledge and the pages in question: https://leonsmom.wordpress.com/tag/the- ... knowledge/. You can make your own decision on if the pages are worthy of the disciplinary action.

Author:  RangerDave [ Tue Feb 03, 2015 3:17 pm ]
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Nice! Thanks, Mookhow. My Google-fu failed me when I tried to find the illustrations.

Author:  Rorinthas [ Tue Feb 03, 2015 3:24 pm ]
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There's a simple answer to this and its called School Choice.

Author:  Rafael [ Tue Feb 03, 2015 3:25 pm ]
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Screeling wrote:
Mookhow wrote:
I've seen this article a few times over the last few days, and each time I see it, I struggle to figure out how using the Ring of Power(TM) to make someone invisible can be seen as a threat. Unless the administration is interpreting "disappear" as a euphemism.

Because it makes them a target for Sauron? Why is this so hard to understand?


Very obviously this.

Author:  Rynar [ Tue Feb 03, 2015 8:24 pm ]
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I thought this was a thread about the recently released Obama Budget.

Author:  FarSky [ Tue Feb 03, 2015 11:48 pm ]
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Yay Texas.

My favorite article about the idiocy: http://www.avclub.com/article/fourth-gr ... dar-214678

Author:  Diamondeye [ Wed Feb 04, 2015 9:41 am ]
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FarSky wrote:
Yay Texas.

My favorite article about the idiocy: http://www.avclub.com/article/fourth-gr ... dar-214678


Texas is a large state. Pretty sure one particular example of total idiocy is not related to it being in Texas. We see school ridiculousness pretty much everywhere.

Author:  Rafael [ Wed Feb 04, 2015 12:02 pm ]
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Diamondeye wrote:
Pretty sure one particular example of total idiocy is not related to it being in Texas. We see school ridiculousness pretty much everywhere.


This logic prevails in all but one place: Baltimore. There are no exceptions in the disgustingness that is that muckhole. If there is some source of universal justice, Kaiju will spawn in the Chesapeake until that place is destroyed.

Author:  Arathain Kelvar [ Wed Feb 04, 2015 12:57 pm ]
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FarSky wrote:
Yay Texas.

My favorite article about the idiocy: http://www.avclub.com/article/fourth-gr ... dar-214678


Hang on, now - we shouldn't be granting an exception to the rules for this special little snowflake. ;)

http://www.gladerebooted.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10318&hilit=teacher#p241543

Author:  FarSky [ Wed Feb 04, 2015 1:21 pm ]
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You're completely right. I missed where Kermit Elementary School'sl rules bar Ainur-crafted tools of power and control from the premises. My mistake.

Author:  Arathain Kelvar [ Wed Feb 04, 2015 1:58 pm ]
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FarSky wrote:
You're completely right. I missed where Kermit Elementary School'sl rules bar Ainur-crafted tools of power and control from the premises. My mistake.


So, by your sarcasm you must be assuming then that they did not have any policy reason at all to suspend the child? That this is blatant abuse rather than simply idiotic application of an existing policy? If so, do you have any evidence for this?

Author:  Müs [ Wed Feb 04, 2015 2:58 pm ]
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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
FarSky wrote:
You're completely right. I missed where Kermit Elementary School'sl rules bar Ainur-crafted tools of power and control from the premises. My mistake.


So, by your sarcasm you must be assuming then that they did not have any policy reason at all to suspend the child? That this is blatant abuse rather than simply idiotic application of an existing policy? If so, do you have any evidence for this?


No. There are no "terroristic threats" that were made by the child. The school is being stupid.

Author:  Diamondeye [ Wed Feb 04, 2015 3:06 pm ]
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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
FarSky wrote:
You're completely right. I missed where Kermit Elementary School'sl rules bar Ainur-crafted tools of power and control from the premises. My mistake.


So, by your sarcasm you must be assuming then that they did not have any policy reason at all to suspend the child? That this is blatant abuse rather than simply idiotic application of an existing policy? If so, do you have any evidence for this?


I am not quite sure how "idiotic application of existing policy" differs from "blatant abuse" when the action banned by the policy is something which can't even be attempted in the first place. It should be obvious that it is not a terroristic threat to threaten to do something which is..., well, completely impossible- and if the argument is made that the other student is too young to understand that and therefore was in fear anyhow, then obviously the other child is too young to understand the concept of a "terroristic threat" and why not to make them.

Normally, we should not assume malice when incompetence will suffice, but at a certain point the incompetence is so outlandish that it essentially becomes malice when committed by a person of normal intelligence - and I am fairly certain that these school administrators are fully functional by any accepted measure.

Author:  Wwen [ Wed Feb 04, 2015 3:41 pm ]
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www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2015/02/04/precautions

Author:  Müs [ Wed Feb 04, 2015 4:54 pm ]
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Diamondeye wrote:
Arathain Kelvar wrote:
FarSky wrote:
You're completely right. I missed where Kermit Elementary School'sl rules bar Ainur-crafted tools of power and control from the premises. My mistake.


So, by your sarcasm you must be assuming then that they did not have any policy reason at all to suspend the child? That this is blatant abuse rather than simply idiotic application of an existing policy? If so, do you have any evidence for this?


I am not quite sure how "idiotic application of existing policy" differs from "blatant abuse" when the action banned by the policy is something which can't even be attempted in the first place. It should be obvious that it is not a terroristic threat to threaten to do something which is..., well, completely impossible- and if the argument is made that the other student is too young to understand that and therefore was in fear anyhow, then obviously the other child is too young to understand the concept of a "terroristic threat" and why not to make them.

Normally, we should not assume malice when incompetence will suffice, but at a certain point the incompetence is so outlandish that it essentially becomes malice when committed by a person of normal intelligence - and I am fairly certain that these school administrators are fully functional by any accepted measure.


I'm surprised they only suspended him, and didn't try to burn him for witchcraft. Or Trafficking with Dark Powers or some other BS.

Author:  Wwen [ Tue Feb 10, 2015 2:34 pm ]
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He should have told them Jesus Lion from Narnia said it was ok.

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