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Vote for Hillary apparently. Alongside child molesters and people that talk at movies.

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I'm sure that scolding and lecturing by a pair of washed-up gorgons will remedy Hillary's deficit amongst younger women. Nothing can possibly go wrong with this strategy.

Because we all know young women really like being told that they vote their vaginas, and they do so for the candidate selected by their feminist elders, or else. Truly, an appealing message.

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I'm sure that scolding and lecturing by a pair of washed-up gorgons will remedy Hillary's deficit amongst younger women. Nothing can possibly go wrong with this strategy.

Because we all know young women really like being told that they vote their vaginas, and they do so for the candidate selected by their feminist elders, or else. Truly, an appealing message.


I know right. For someone that's usually pretty in tune with saying **** she needs to say to get elected... this was remarkably tone deaf of her.

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For someone that's usually pretty in tune with saying **** she needs to say to get elected... this was remarkably tone deaf of her.


Eh? It's not like Hillary said it.


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I'm sure that scolding and lecturing by a pair of washed-up gorgons will remedy Hillary's deficit amongst younger women. Nothing can possibly go wrong with this strategy.

Because we all know young women really like being told that they vote their vaginas, and they do so for the candidate selected by their feminist elders, or else. Truly, an appealing message.


I know right. For someone that's usually pretty in tune with saying **** she needs to say to get elected... this was remarkably tone deaf of her.


To be fair, she can't entirely control Steinem or Albright so it may be a case of "stop helping me!". However, deploying her husband to claim Sanders' campaign was all a bunch of sexists may not have been the smartest move. Bill Clinton is maybe not the guy to be conveying that message. Just a hunch.

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Ehh, that's true. You'd think she would have discussed the language before hand. Talking points, etc.

Its all a sham anyway though.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/10/hilla ... fter-loss/
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In the overall delegate count, Clinton holds a commanding lead after a razor-thin victory in Iowa and a shellacking in New Hampshire. Clinton has 394 delegates, both super and electorally assigned, to only 42 for Sanders.

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Leaving aside the validity of voting for someone because of vagina, I haven't seen definitive proof that it is female. I mean, Monica Lewinsky was hardly a shining example of presidential mistresses, so obviously it wasn't doing its husband any favors.

My going theory is that it's an alien in human-ish skin attempting to infiltrate earth's power structure at one of the highest levels.

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In Bill's defense, chubby girls need lovin', too.

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I came across an interesting observation about Steinem's comment -

If Bernie's younger female supporters are "only there because of the boys"... what about his lesbian supporters? Why are they there?

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They're there because of the girls that are there because of the boys.

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In Bill's defense, chubby girls need lovin', too.



I'm not saying Lewinski's not a perfectly valid mistress for someone else, but Bill was the President of the goddamn United **** States of America. JFK got it on with Marilyn Munroe. When you're the PotgdUmfS, you get your pick of mistresses!

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They're there because of the girls that are there because of the boys.


A very astute observation!

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Ehh, that's true. You'd think she would have discussed the language before hand. Talking points, etc.

Its all a sham anyway though. <snip link>


The thing here is that this represents a control over the nomination the party bosses almost don't dare use, because they can really only use it once.

There's a number of reasons:

A) There has not been a brokered convention since 1952. De facto control of the nomination has been in the hands of the voters because there wasn't much reason not to go along with it over the last 60 years. In a year when the insurgent candidate is running against Establishment corruption, suddenly yanking that control back via the superdelegates is likely to really piss off the voters.

B) If either party were to outright override a clear popular winner with superdelegates, the other party could really make hay of it in a general election - assuming they didn't do the same thing.

C) Specific to the Democrats, they're more vulnerable because of the smaller candidate field and larger number of superdelegates. The Republicans might be able to obfuscate this if they have more than 2 candidates remaining viable at the time of the convention, especially since unlike the Democrats where the Establishment frontrunner is trying to hold off a mounting challenge, the Republicans have 2 clear front runners, both of whom are very different from each other. There's a lot more room for horse-trading - and in fact, it might actually be necessary to establish a clear winner. The Republicans have a possibility of being thrown into a situation where the party bosses not only get to choose the nominee, but don't have any choice because otherwise there isn't a clear winner.

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In Bill's defense, chubby girls need lovin', too.


I'm not saying Lewinski's not a perfectly valid mistress for someone else, but Bill was the President of the goddamn United **** States of America. JFK got it on with Marilyn Munroe. When you're the PotgUmfS, you get your pick of mistresses!


That happened in an era where the press and one's political opponents were far more reluctant to publicize such things. Richard Nixon expressly forbade his staff from using Kennedy's philandering against him.

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They're there because of the girls that are there because of the boys.


A very astute observation!

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Ehh, that's true. You'd think she would have discussed the language before hand. Talking points, etc.

Its all a sham anyway though. <snip link>


The thing here is that this represents a control over the nomination the party bosses almost don't dare use, because they can really only use it once.

There's a number of reasons:

A) There has not been a brokered convention since 1952. De facto control of the nomination has been in the hands of the voters because there wasn't much reason not to go along with it over the last 60 years. In a year when the insurgent candidate is running against Establishment corruption, suddenly yanking that control back via the superdelegates is likely to really piss off the voters.

B) If either party were to outright override a clear popular winner with superdelegates, the other party could really make hay of it in a general election - assuming they didn't do the same thing.

C) Specific to the Democrats, they're more vulnerable because of the smaller candidate field and larger number of superdelegates. The Republicans might be able to obfuscate this if they have more than 2 candidates remaining viable at the time of the convention, especially since unlike the Democrats where the Establishment frontrunner is trying to hold off a mounting challenge, the Republicans have 2 clear front runners, both of whom are very different from each other. There's a lot more room for horse-trading - and in fact, it might actually be necessary to establish a clear winner. The Republicans have a possibility of being thrown into a situation where the party bosses not only get to choose the nominee, but don't have any choice because otherwise there isn't a clear winner.


It seems like this was a "LOL, you Bernie people think you're *winning*? Hahuh! Hillary's already 300 delegates ahead! You're such losers. You should give up."

And I think its likely to backfire.

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It seems like this was a "LOL, you Bernie people think you're *winning*? Hahuh! Hillary's already 300 delegates ahead! You're such losers. You should give up."

And I think its likely to backfire.


I would have to agree. They're tipping their hand with superdelegates from states that haven't voted yet. If anything, this is something Berine can point to sand say "See? The billionaire donors are planning to give the nomination to her, even if you all pick me!"

Both parties have lost members to "independent" status, and Bernie is just the kind of repudiation of what they don't like about the Democratic establishment that might be motivated to get out to the polls in states where they can to support his bid - and then stay home in the general if they don't. Not many of that category would outright go Republican but they could have a similar effect.

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In Bill's defense, chubby girls need lovin', too.


I'm not saying Lewinski's not a perfectly valid mistress for someone else, but Bill was the President of the goddamn United **** States of America. JFK got it on with Marilyn Munroe. When you're the PotgUmfS, you get your pick of mistresses!


That happened in an era where the press and one's political opponents were far more reluctant to publicize such things. Richard Nixon expressly forbade his staff from using Kennedy's philandering against him.

And, let's be realistic, Bill's no JFK. It's been 20 years, so I don't really remember who would have been the Marilyn Monroe-analog in 1995; famous, widely desired, grievous emotional issues, but Bill probably could not have successfully clandestinely had an affair with her for longer than about 3 days. So he kept it closer to home. He'd have got away with it, too, if she hadn't used her mouth for talking.

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And, let's be realistic, Bill's no JFK. It's been 20 years, so I don't really remember who would have been the Marilyn Monroe-analog in 1995; famous, widely desired, grievous emotional issues, but Bill probably could not have successfully clandestinely had an affair with her for longer than about 3 days. So he kept it closer to home. He'd have got away with it, too, if she hadn't used her mouth for talking.


Madonna, maybe? She was still south of 40 at the time.

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She's a little eccentric, but never struck me as having emotional issues.

And let's face it, Madonna maintained **** pretty well north of forty.

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Yeah, to get away with it these days you have to go after people whose livelihoods are dependent on your continued patronage. That's why Clinton got away with it for so long, if you can fire them at any time they're less likely to gossip. If you just go for a hot chick you end up like Eliot Spitzer.


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Yeah, to get away with it these days you have to ...


...ignore it, not give a **** who knows, and tell the media/political opponents to stay the hell out of your personal life which has nothing to do with politics.

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Yeah, to get away with it these days you have to ...


...ignore it, not give a **** who knows, and tell the media/political opponents to stay the hell out of your personal life which has nothing to do with politics.


The problem with this is that they're under no obligation to do so - especially since the other person involved gets to say "hell no, I want this to be public!" Politicians can't command the public to disregard anything. It gets worse when its not just a matter of messing around on your spouse, but also involves allegations of harassment or assault as Clinton's did.

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Yeah, to get away with it these days you have to go after people whose livelihoods are dependent on your continued patronage. That's why Clinton got away with it for so long, if you can fire them at any time they're less likely to gossip. If you just go for a hot chick you end up like Eliot Spitzer.


If you fire them, they run straight to the press and most likely end up with a lucrative settlement out of the deal. Firing someone you're banging is suicide in this day and age no matter what level you're at.

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She's a little eccentric, but never struck me as having emotional issues.


You can't have everything.

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Yeah, to get away with it these days you have to ...


...ignore it, not give a **** who knows, and tell the media/political opponents to stay the hell out of your personal life which has nothing to do with politics.


The problem with this is that they're under no obligation to do so - especially since the other person involved gets to say "hell no, I want this to be public!" Politicians can't command the public to disregard anything. It gets worse when its not just a matter of messing around on your spouse, but also involves allegations of harassment or assault as Clinton's did.



I don't know. In the 70's, Canadian PM Pierre Trudeau replied to media accusations of adultery with such phrases as "**** off," and "Stay the **** out of my bedroom" and then refused to even recognize further anyone who brought it up. They could talk about it in the media all they wanted -- he just ignored them, and correctly and succinctly pointed out it had nothing to do with politics and was therefore off limits as far as interview topics are concerned. Seemed to work. The problems simply went away. It's hard to create a scandal when the subject of the scandal merely flips you off when you try and seems to continue unaffected by it.

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I don't know. In the 70's, Canadian PM Pierre Trudeau replied to media accusations of adultery with such phrases as "**** off," and "Stay the **** out of my bedroom" and then refused to even recognize further anyone who brought it up. They could talk about it in the media all they wanted -- he just ignored them, and correctly and succinctly pointed out it had nothing to do with politics and was therefore off limits as far as interview topics are concerned. Seemed to work. The problems simply went away. It's hard to create a scandal when the subject of the scandal merely flips you off when you try and seems to continue unaffected by it.


That works in Canadian and European politics because the electorate permits it. Ours doesn't - and even if it did for simple philandering, it's not realistic to expect the public to start ignoring allegations of criminal activity.

You guys don't seem to have the same level of victim politics going on, so it's probably easier to use that tactic.

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