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Author: | Xequecal [ Thu Dec 17, 2009 1:53 pm ] |
Post subject: | Glen Greenwald calls it like it is on health care reform. |
I'd say this is pretty accurate. It's salon.com which is as left-wing as it gets, but he tears Obama apart. The gist is that the Obama administration are just bought puppets of the pharmaceutical industry, that all complaints of "obstructionism" are BS, and what we're getting is pretty much the exact bill Obama wanted in the first place. No public option, no expansion of Medicare, just a bill that uses force of law to require 50 million people to suddenly start sending checks to health insurance companies. I wonder how many "campaign contributions" this cost the pharmaceutical industry. http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/ Quote: Of all the posts I wrote this year, the one that produced the most vociferious email backlash -- easily -- was this one from August, which examined substantial evidence showing that, contrary to Obama's occasional public statements in support of a public option, the White House clearly intended from the start that the final health care reform bill would contain no such provision and was actively and privately participating in efforts to shape a final bill without it. From the start, assuaging the health insurance and pharmaceutical industries was a central preoccupation of the White House -- hence the deal negotiated in strict secrecy with Pharma to ban bulk price negotiations and drug reimportation, a blatant violation of both Obama's campaign positions on those issues and his promise to conduct all negotiations out in the open (on C-SPAN). Indeed, Democrats led the way yesterday in killing drug re-importation, which they endlessly claimed to support back when they couldn't pass it. The administration wants not only to prevent industry money from funding an anti-health-care-reform campaign, but also wants to ensure that the Democratic Party -- rather than the GOP -- will continue to be the prime recipient of industry largesse.
As was painfully predictable all along, the final bill will not have any form of public option, nor will it include the wildly popular expansion of Medicare coverage. Obama supporters are eager to depict the White House as nothing more than a helpless victim in all of this -- the President so deeply wanted a more progressive bill but was sadly thwarted in his noble efforts by those inhumane, corrupt Congressional "centrists." Right. The evidence was overwhelming from the start that the White House was not only indifferent, but opposed, to the provisions most important to progressives. The administration is getting the bill which they, more or less, wanted from the start -- the one that is a huge boon to the health insurance and pharmaceutical industry. And kudos to Russ Feingold for saying so: Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wis.), among the most vocal supporters of the public option, said it would be unfair to blame Lieberman for its apparent demise. Feingold said that responsibility ultimately rests with President Barack Obama and he could have insisted on a higher standard for the legislation. "This bill appears to be legislation that the president wanted in the first place, so I don’t think focusing it on Lieberman really hits the truth," said Feingold. "I think they could have been higher. I certainly think a stronger bill would have been better in every respect." Let's repeat that: "This bill appears to be legislation that the president wanted in the first place." Indeed it does. There are rational, practical reasons why that might be so. If you're interested in preserving and expanding political power, then, all other things being equal, it's better to have the pharmaceutical and health insurance industry on your side than opposed to you. Or perhaps they calculated from the start that this was the best bill they could get. The wisdom of that rationale can be debated, but depicting Obama as the impotent progressive victim here of recalcitrant, corrupt centrists is really too much to bear. Yet numerous Obama defenders -- such as Matt Yglesias, Ezra Klein and Steve Benen -- have been insisting that there is just nothing the White House could have done and all of this shows that our political system is tragically "ungovernable." After all, Congress is a separate branch of government, Obama doesn't have a vote, and 60 votes are needed to do anything. How is it his fault if centrist Senators won't support what he wants to do? Apparently, this is the type of conversation we're to believe takes place in the Oval Office: The President: I really want a public option and Medicare buy-in. What can we do to get it? Rahm Emanuel: Unfortunately, nothing. We can just sit by and hope, but you're not in Congress any more and you don't have a vote. They're a separate branch of government and we have to respect that. The President: So we have no role to play in what the Democratic Congress does? Emanuel: No. Members of Congress make up their own minds and there's just nothing we can do to influence or pressure them. The President: Gosh, that's too bad. Let's just keep our fingers crossed and see what happens then. In an ideal world, Congress would be -- and should be -- an autonomous branch of government, exercising judgment independent of the White House's influence, but that's not the world we live in. Does anyone actually believe that Rahm Emanuel (who built his career on industry support for the Party and jamming "centrist" bills through Congress with the support of Blue Dogs) and Barack Obama (who attached himself to Joe Lieberman when arriving in the Senate, repeatedly proved himself receptive to "centrist" compromises, had a campaign funded by corporate interests, and is now the leader of a vast funding and political infrastructure) were the helpless victims of those same forces? Engineering these sorts of "centrist," industry-serving compromises has been the modus operandi of both Obama and, especially, Emanuel. Indeed, we've seen before what the White House can do -- and does do -- when they actually care about pressuring members of Congress to support something they genuinely want passed. When FDL and other liberal blogs led an effort to defeat Obama's war funding bill back in June, the White House became desperate for votes, and here is what they apparently did (though they deny it): The White House is playing hardball with Democrats who intend to vote against the supplemental war spending bill, threatening freshmen who oppose it that they won't get help with reelection and will be cut off from the White House, Rep. Lynn Woolsey (D-Calif.) said Friday. "We're not going to help you. You'll never hear from us again," Woolsey said the White House is telling freshmen. That's what the White House can do when they actually care about pressuring someone to vote the way they want. Why didn't they do any of that to the "centrists" who were supposedly obstructing what they wanted on health care? Why didn't they tell Blanche Lincoln -- in a desperate fight for her political life -- that she would "never hear from them again," and would lose DNC and other Democratic institutional support, if she filibustered the public option? Why haven't they threatened to remove Joe Lieberman's cherished Homeland Security Chairmanship if he's been sabotaging the President's agenda? Why hasn't the President been rhetorically pressuring Senators to support the public option and Medicare buy-in, or taking any of the other steps outlined here by Adam Green? There's no guarantee that it would have worked -- Obama is not omnipotent and he can't always control Congressional outcomes -- but the lack of any such efforts is extremely telling about what the White House really wanted here. Independent of the reasonable debate over whether this bill is a marginal improvement over the status quo, there are truly horrible elements to it. Two of the most popular provisions (both of which, not coincidentally, were highly adverse to industry interests) -- the public option and Medicare expansion -- are stripped out (a new Washington Post/ABC poll out today shows that the public favors expansion of Medicare to age 55 by a 30-point margin). What remains is a politically distastrous and highly coercive "mandate" gift to the health insurance industry, described perfectly by Digby: Obama can say that you're getting a lot, but also saying that it "covers everyone," as if there's a big new benefit is a big stretch. Nothing will have changed on that count except changing the law to force people to buy private insurance if they don't get it from their employer. I guess you can call that progressive, but that doesn't make it so. In fact, mandating that all people pay money to a private interest isn't even conservative, free market or otherwise. It's some kind of weird corporatism that's very hard to square with the common good philosophy that Democrats supposedly espouse. Nobody's "getting covered" here. After all, people are already "free" to buy private insurance and one must assume they have reasons for not doing it already. Whether those reasons are good or bad won't make a difference when they are suddenly forced to write big checks to Aetna or Blue Cross that they previously had decided they couldn't or didn't want to write. Indeed, it actually looks like the worst caricature of liberals: taking people's money against their will, saying it's for their own good --- and doing it without even the cover that FDR wisely insisted upon with social security, by having it withdrawn from paychecks. People don't miss the money as much when they never see it. In essence, this re-inforces all of the worst dynamics of Washington. The insurance industry gets the biggest bonanza imaginable in the form of tens of millions of coerced new customers without any competition or other price controls. Progressive opinion-makers, as always, signaled that they can and should be ignored (don't worry about us -- we're announcing in advance that we'll support whatever you feed us no matter how little it contains of what we want and will never exercise raw political power to get what we want; make sure those other people are happy but ignore us). Most of this was negotiated and effectuated in complete secrecy, in the sleazy sewers populated by lobbyists, industry insiders, and their wholly-owned pawns in the Congress. And highly unpopular, industry-serving legislation is passed off as "centrist," the noblest Beltway value. Looked at from the narrow lens of health care policy, there is a reasonable debate to be had among reform advocates over whether this bill is a net benefit or a net harm. But the idea that the White House did what it could to ensure the inclusion of progressive provisions -- or that they were powerless to do anything about it -- is absurd on its face. Whatever else is true, the overwhelming evidence points to exactly what Sen. Feingold said yesterday: "This bill appears to be legislation that the president wanted in the first place." |
Author: | Monte [ Thu Dec 17, 2009 3:56 pm ] |
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Currently there's a pretty even split among liberal blogs, talkers, commentators, and general posters about the current health care reform system. In the 90's, it was big pharma that funded the efforts that eventually tanked HCR then. Really, these companies can, if they want, fully fund an effort to basically get *anything* done the want to get done, the way they want it to get done. They can toss a billion dollars at ad campaigns and other efforts that will generally make sure they get their way. So, an unwillingness to break the deal with Pharma has a lot to do with what Pharma will do in response. The HCR bill, in it's current form, will fail. A mandate with zero public option is going to hang around the necks of progressives and democrats for years to come. However, passing nothing will be even worse. So what do you do? You're in Obama's shoes, this is a huge effort, do you pass it in it's current form and then fix it as you go, a la Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security? The sixty vote threshold in the Senate is simply unconstitutional. The fillibuster was never intended to be used on every single solitary piece of legislation that got to the floor, and that's the way it works now - everything is filibustered by the Republicans. Why they aren't being pilloried for being obstructionists is beyond me. When they controlled the senate, if the democrats dared to breathe in the direction of a filibuster they were shouting about unamerican and undemocratic obstructionism. Oh, our short memories. The public widely supports a robust public health care option. Obama's numbers and the Democrat's numbers are tanking not because they are fighting for reform, but because they aren't fighting for the kind of reform the vast majority of America wants. |
Author: | Rafael [ Thu Dec 17, 2009 3:59 pm ] |
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Monte wrote: They can toss a billion dollars at ad campaigns and other efforts that will generally make sure they get their way. So, an unwillingness to break the deal with Pharma has a lot to do with what Pharma will do in response. Wait ads infalliably compel people to do things? Oh no, I can't control myself!! I'm off to buy cigs, Ketel One and a new Chevrolet Cobalt with 0 down financing! |
Author: | Aizle [ Thu Dec 17, 2009 4:02 pm ] |
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Rafael wrote: Monte wrote: They can toss a billion dollars at ad campaigns and other efforts that will generally make sure they get their way. So, an unwillingness to break the deal with Pharma has a lot to do with what Pharma will do in response. Wait ads infalliably compel people to do things? Oh no, I can't control myself!! I'm off to buy cigs, Ketel One and a new Chevrolet Cobalt with 0 down financing! Statistics don't apply to the individual. You should be smart enough to know that. You should also be smart enough to know that ads DO influence people's choices. |
Author: | Elmarnieh [ Thu Dec 17, 2009 4:04 pm ] |
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So does every bit of data ever received by the brain. Sensory dep tanks for everyone! |
Author: | DFK! [ Thu Dec 17, 2009 4:55 pm ] |
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I don't get why this whole "expand Medicare to 55" thing is so popular. If anything, we need to contract the age, not expand it. It's going backrupt in 7 years, PRESUMING (and that's capitalized for a reason) the physician payment cuts they've been putting off for nearly a decade aren't put off even more. Who here believes 21% cuts in physician payments are imminent? |
Author: | Kaffis Mark V [ Thu Dec 17, 2009 5:47 pm ] |
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Not to mention, by 2050, independent studies are suggesting that government projections are underestimating the predicted life expectancy by 5-8 years. |
Author: | Corolinth [ Thu Dec 17, 2009 7:36 pm ] |
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Sometimes, when your furnace breaks down, you repair it. When it breaks badly enough, you get a new one. |
Author: | Vindicarre [ Thu Dec 17, 2009 8:20 pm ] |
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Monte wrote: The fillibuster was never intended to be used on every single solitary piece of legislation that got to the floor, and that's the way it works now - everything is filibustered by the Republicans. I don't suppose you have *any* evidence to back up this latest bit of absolutist drivel? Spoiler: |
Author: | Rafael [ Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:34 pm ] |
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Aizle wrote: Rafael wrote: Monte wrote: They can toss a billion dollars at ad campaigns and other efforts that will generally make sure they get their way. So, an unwillingness to break the deal with Pharma has a lot to do with what Pharma will do in response. Wait ads infalliably compel people to do things? Oh no, I can't control myself!! I'm off to buy cigs, Ketel One and a new Chevrolet Cobalt with 0 down financing! Statistics don't apply to the individual. You should be smart enough to know that. You should also be smart enough to know that ads DO influence people's choices. It doesn't matter if they influence people's choices, they don't coerce people to do anything. That is ultimately the person's action they are responsible for. No if's, yes well's, but's, or's etc. That's it. Period. |
Author: | Khross [ Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:26 am ] |
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Monte wrote: The public widely supports a robust public health care option. You keep making this claim, and you keep failing to substantiate it. Even the most liberal of polls (CNN's) indicates that only 53% of Americans support a public option; and then, only if it competes with a generally unchanged private insurance industry. Where is this "widely supports"? Or, is a nominal majority wide support now? Cause, you know, the public widely supported the efforts of George W. Bush to be elected ... twice ... if that were the case.
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Author: | Corolinth [ Fri Dec 18, 2009 10:30 am ] |
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It's only a mandate if liberals have one. You see, under George W. Bush, the virtuous underdog liberals were oppressed and needed their voices to be heard. Now, under Barack Obama, the underdogs have finally won, and may enact any sweeping change they want without opposition. |
Author: | Diamondeye [ Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:45 pm ] |
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I seem to recall Obama's relatively thin popular majority in the election being represented as a "landslide" and "broad public support" so it should be no surprise that 53% public support for a public option with private competition is "broad public support." |
Author: | Rafael [ Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:52 pm ] |
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And then pictures (of unsubstantiated significance and soruce) of people gathered in the streets supposedly in support of "change" and being equated to mandate. And then said pictures paraded on here much like a 5 year old showing off his new toy. |
Author: | Arathain Kelvar [ Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:11 pm ] |
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Vindi, Sure, but who would filibuster the National Bombing Prevention Act? Monty wrote: Why they aren't being pilloried for being obstructionists is beyond me. Mostly because the public doesn't want the bill to pass. |
Author: | Vindicarre [ Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:50 pm ] |
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Heheh, Ara. Obstructionists? |
Author: | Timmit [ Sat Dec 19, 2009 11:19 am ] |
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Even Howard Dean doesn't want the current version of the health car bill to pass... Damn those republican obstructionists... |
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