/sigh.
This is starting to escalate in a not pleasant way
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| Author: | Diamondeye [ Mon Oct 10, 2016 1:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Anti-ship missiles fired at USS Mason |
No hits The article states that the type of missile has not yeat been released (if known) and that it has no been stated if the missiles were shot down, decoyed, or would have missed regardless. |
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| Author: | Müs [ Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:01 pm ] |
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/sigh. This is starting to escalate in a not pleasant way
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| Author: | Diamondeye [ Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Anti-ship missiles fired at USS Mason |
Speaking of escalation, while we're worrying about vulgar video tapes and such it hasn't occurred to anyone that Russia isn't inclined to wait around for our election in order to move ahead with its own plans. |
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| Author: | Müs [ Wed Oct 12, 2016 2:13 pm ] |
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le sigh. This is starting to read like a Clancy novel. Specifically, this one: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00Z8VTJA8/re ... TF8&btkr=1 |
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| Author: | Screeling [ Wed Oct 12, 2016 5:10 pm ] |
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Not sure if I read that one or not. Did it suck? Like, as far as Clancy books go? |
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| Author: | Müs [ Wed Oct 12, 2016 5:31 pm ] |
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Screeling wrote: Not sure if I read that one or not. Did it suck? Like, as far as Clancy books go? Actually, all of the Greaney books aren't terrible.  He's not Clancy, but he's close.
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| Author: | Diamondeye [ Wed Oct 12, 2016 7:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Anti-ship missiles fired at USS Mason |
Another one fired. The chances of a single missile - or for that matter, a dozen missiles - penetrating the defenses of a DDG-51 are really pretty miniscule unless there's a major screw-up, but the fact that rebels have anti-ship missiles at all is deeply troubling. These are expensive and sophisticated weapons that are a serious threat to anything that doesn't have modern air defenses. Evidently some UAE ship did take a hit; a pretty bad one (possibly fatal). My big question now is: how are they locating the ship? Edit: if anyone wants a simulation, I'll set one up in Command and run it and post some screenshots. PSA this will involve significant guesswork. |
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| Author: | Screeling [ Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:37 pm ] |
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How are they locating the ship? Can we not assume the ship is visible from the coast for them to hit? I don't see anything that indicates where the ship is other than the larger body of water. |
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| Author: | Diamondeye [ Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:40 pm ] |
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Screeling wrote: How are they locating the ship? Can we not assume the ship is visible from the coast for them to hit? I don't see anything that indicates where the ship is other than the larger body of water. That is a possibility, but the indications are that the ship is at least 12 miles off the coast. I'd have to do some math to see how visible that really is. Also, there needs to be a way to pass targeting data to the missile. These things aren't designed to be fired off visual sightings; naval combat is expected to take place BVR as a general rule. |
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| Author: | Müs [ Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Re: |
Diamondeye wrote: Screeling wrote: How are they locating the ship? Can we not assume the ship is visible from the coast for them to hit? I don't see anything that indicates where the ship is other than the larger body of water. That is a possibility, but the indications are that the ship is at least 12 miles off the coast. I'd have to do some math to see how visible that really is. Also, there needs to be a way to pass targeting data to the missile. These things aren't designed to be fired off visual sightings; naval combat is expected to take place BVR as a general rule. Assuming you can't do that sort of targeting with some binos, a boat, and a sat phone yeah? Looks like they had radar sites. http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/ ... mens-coast *had*. |
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| Author: | Diamondeye [ Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:53 am ] |
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Müs wrote: Diamondeye wrote: Screeling wrote: How are they locating the ship? Can we not assume the ship is visible from the coast for them to hit? I don't see anything that indicates where the ship is other than the larger body of water. That is a possibility, but the indications are that the ship is at least 12 miles off the coast. I'd have to do some math to see how visible that really is. Also, there needs to be a way to pass targeting data to the missile. These things aren't designed to be fired off visual sightings; naval combat is expected to take place BVR as a general rule. Assuming you can't do that sort of targeting with some binos, a boat, and a sat phone yeah? I imagine that it's possible, but not ideal. Most weapon systems have ways you can employ them if you really need to when you can't use them in the most preferred way; no one wants to be in combat going "welp, can't fire, **** it, let's eat an MRE." There's a thing called "bearing-only launch" that some types of anti-ship missiles can use, but I don't know if these ones had that capability, although I could look it up if they've released what type of missile it is anywhere. The problem without electronic targeting (which evidently they did have) would be finding the range, assuming the ships were close enough to shore to be seen (the horizon for radar is slightly longer than the visual horizon). If you don't have bearing-only launch capability (which is not the best way to do things in the first place) you need to get the range somehow and that's fairly tricky looking at a ship out on featureless water unless you've got a real "seaman's eye". On land, its easier because you can look at other terrain features, especially if you have a map and get a pretty good idea how far away something is. Quote:  
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