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| Author: | TheRiov [ Tue Dec 13, 2016 7:33 pm ] | ||
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Make no claims about the veracity of this. Mainly looking for opinion.
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| Author: | Müs [ Tue Dec 13, 2016 7:43 pm ] |
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Pretty dead on. Some will complain about the right/left of some, but the trash is all correct... some, painfully so. |
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| Author: | Lenas [ Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:01 pm ] |
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Looks okay. |
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| Author: | Timmit [ Tue Dec 13, 2016 9:40 pm ] |
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If we're talking straight news or including editorial content I'd definitely want to move stuff around (CNN and NPR especially if you're including the editorial stuff, Fox might move closer to center if you're not) but it's not all that bad, imo. Huffington Post is getting too much credit either way, though... |
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| Author: | Vladimirr [ Wed Dec 14, 2016 8:40 am ] |
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CNN and NPR need to move one column to the left. The rest is pretty accurate. I'd also change the tilt of that FoxNews ellipse counter-clockwise so that slightly more of it overlaps into the "skews" category, and slightly more of it leans into the conspiracy theory category. |
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| Author: | FarSky [ Wed Dec 14, 2016 10:30 am ] |
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Fox News is a weird mix of reputable news and crazy conspiracy theory, yeah. I've long been convinced their their fundamental news gathering competency is good, but that they have an edict from on high that they mix their op-ed stuff in so thoroughly that it makes it very difficult to discern where actual news programs end and their ideological and crazypants stuff begins. I'd move Breibart and InfoWars over even further. Maybe even make another chart. Or three. |
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| Author: | Müs [ Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:29 am ] |
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FarSky wrote: I'd move Breibart and InfoWars over even further. Maybe even make another chart. Or three. Maybe one more down to "Actively dangerous misinformation" and one more right to "Alt-Right/Moonbat Propaganda"? |
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| Author: | Diamondeye [ Wed Dec 14, 2016 2:40 pm ] |
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Infowars yes, Breitbart no. "Alt right" is really just people complaining that teenagers are engaging in exactly the same sort of making fun of sacred cows of the left that they think is so hilarious when teenagers make fun of the sacred cows of the right. Infowars goes beyond conspiracy and into the land of "not even physically possible"; Breitbart is more in the "this is obvious nonsense but at least I can understand what they're talking about" category; merely unbearable as opposed to incomprehensible. If you read Breitbart as a bunch of under-30s sniggering as they write it, it becomes clearer what it's all about - and if you think there's no room for making fun of leftist sacred cows, well, that's part of the problem. FOX News is really pretty even and measured when you watch the actual news reporting. The problem is that every weeknight they have a parade of idiots from approximately 7pm to 11pm depending which time zone you're in. O'Reilly, Kelly, and Hannity are almost unbearable to watch (for different reasons) and are mainly there to entertain the over-65 crowd. There's a few nincompoops on the weekend as well, most notably Judge Jeanine whose style seems to be "screech at the camera in an unbearable accent". Really FOX should be in two places - more or less the center for actual reportage and about where it is for commentary. They have a few people like Chris Wallace and Brit Hume that make up for some of the nonsense. NPR needs to be one line left; the idea that it's dead in the center is  WaPo and NYT need to be about as far left as FOX presently is right - without an exemption for their reportage. While they've avoided outright hogwash, their coverage is skewed, and sloppily so, with not even a serious attempt to disguise it, and their commentary is Hannity-level self-righteous bullshit. National Review and The Federalist should be on there at about the same distance out as The Hill, and slightly higher altitude. CNN should be butted up to the left side of that center line its against. Overall its not a bad chart, but whoever made it is just a little too generous to the most major TV and newspaper outlets. The idea that the NYT and WaPo in particular are in the center column, or that CNN exactly straddles the center is silly. |
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| Author: | Midgen [ Wed Dec 14, 2016 7:26 pm ] |
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I agree pretty much with DE on all of his points. Does that make me a bad person? I think not! 
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| Author: | Müs [ Wed Dec 14, 2016 7:40 pm ] |
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Diamondeye wrote: Breitbart is more in the "this is obvious nonsense but at least I can understand what they're talking about" category; merely unbearable as opposed to incomprehensible. If you read Breitbart as a bunch of under-30s sniggering as they write it, it becomes clearer what it's all about The problem I have with Breitbart, is people that vote take it as gospel. People think its an actual, good, unbiased news source. They're just a hair less bullshitty than the Onion. |
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| Author: | Arathain Kelvar [ Wed Dec 14, 2016 10:13 pm ] |
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I think it's pretty good, but the "mainstream" items need to be spread out a little. |
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| Author: | Diamondeye [ Thu Dec 15, 2016 10:44 am ] |
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Müs wrote: Diamondeye wrote: Breitbart is more in the "this is obvious nonsense but at least I can understand what they're talking about" category; merely unbearable as opposed to incomprehensible. If you read Breitbart as a bunch of under-30s sniggering as they write it, it becomes clearer what it's all about The problem I have with Breitbart, is people that vote take it as gospel. People think its an actual, good, unbiased news source. They're just a hair less bullshitty than the Onion. Exactly how do you know that they take it as gospel, or as "unbiased", and how prevalent are these people? Do you have any substantive data to that effect? Misrepresenting the motives of the everyday non-left voter is a cottage industry on the Left, such as inventing automated surveys using questionable methodology and leading questions to try to create the impression that large percentages of Republicans think Obama is a Muslim, for example. And really, there are people that vote that take the **** sources on the Left side as gospel as well. This is hardly any less of a problem, and perhaps moreso, because there's no one pretending they're "white supremacists". There's no less "bigotry" over their by their own standards; it's just that they've assigned themselves the right to decide what targets are acceptable, and the mainstream sources mostly tacitly go along with that even if they don't overtly participate most of the time. |
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| Author: | Diamondeye [ Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:11 am ] |
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Midgen wrote: I agree pretty much with DE on all of his points. Does that make me a bad person? I think not! Why.. yes it does. One might even say you're... deplorable. |
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| Author: | Talya [ Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:53 pm ] |
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Breitbart is not exactly what I'd call "news," but, agree or disagree with him, I sorta love Milo Yiannopoulos. |
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| Author: | Serienya [ Thu Dec 15, 2016 4:17 pm ] |
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I'd move HuffPo closer to clickbait. (Not everything there is clickbait/sensationalist, but a lot of it is.) |
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| Author: | Corolinth [ Thu Dec 15, 2016 4:34 pm ] |
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There is no mainstream/nonpartisan category. All sites in that bracket need to be shifted one step to the left. This was rather conclusively demonstrated in the recent election. Moreover, every left-leaning publication should be shifted one step left since their "skews/hyperpartisan" category was determined relative to CNN. Furthermore, the word liberal needs to be removed entirely from that chart. There are no liberals in the western media. There are only left-wing conservatives. |
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| Author: | Kaffis Mark V [ Fri Dec 16, 2016 10:48 am ] |
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Talya wrote: Breitbart is not exactly what I'd call "news," but, agree or disagree with him, I sorta love Milo Yiannopoulos. I'm not saying Coro is Milo, but I've never seen them in the same room. |
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| Author: | Screeling [ Fri Dec 16, 2016 10:55 am ] |
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Kaffis Mark V wrote: Talya wrote: Breitbart is not exactly what I'd call "news," but, agree or disagree with him, I sorta love Milo Yiannopoulos. I'm not saying Coro is Milo, but I've never seen them in the same room. This is probably the funniest thing I've seen you post all year. |
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| Author: | Corolinth [ Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:34 am ] |
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I wish I was that fashionable and well-dressed. |
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| Author: | Diamondeye [ Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:06 pm ] |
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Corolinth wrote: I wish I was that fashionable and well-dressed. What's stopping you? |
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| Author: | Corolinth [ Thu Dec 22, 2016 9:54 pm ] |
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I don't know. According to Taly, I don't get enough dick, but she also wasn't able to demonstrate a positive correlation between getting dick and fashion sense. I'm not going to suck cock over an unverified hypothesis. |
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| Author: | Diamondeye [ Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:24 am ] |
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Corolinth wrote: I don't know. According to Taly, I don't get enough dick, but she also wasn't able to demonstrate a positive correlation between getting dick and fashion sense. I'm not going to suck cock over an unverified hypothesis. I'm pretty sure you can go to the store for some clothes and get some charm lessons without sucking cock in the process. |
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| Author: | Arathain Kelvar [ Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:28 am ] |
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Diamondeye wrote: Corolinth wrote: I don't know. According to Taly, I don't get enough dick, but she also wasn't able to demonstrate a positive correlation between getting dick and fashion sense. I'm not going to suck cock over an unverified hypothesis. I'm pretty sure you can go to the store for some clothes and get some charm lessons without sucking cock in the process. Wait, what? Son of a *****! |
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| Author: | Diamondeye [ Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:36 am ] |
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Arathain Kelvar wrote: Diamondeye wrote: Corolinth wrote: I don't know. According to Taly, I don't get enough dick, but she also wasn't able to demonstrate a positive correlation between getting dick and fashion sense. I'm not going to suck cock over an unverified hypothesis. I'm pretty sure you can go to the store for some clothes and get some charm lessons without sucking cock in the process. Wait, what? Son of a *****! 
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| Author: | Rorinthas [ Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:23 pm ] |
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Vladimirr wrote: CNN and NPR need to move one column to the left. The rest is pretty accurate. I'd also change the tilt of that FoxNews ellipse counter-clockwise so that slightly more of it overlaps into the "skews" category, and slightly more of it leans into the conspiracy theory category.  wait what forum am i on again?
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