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We really need *either* of these things? Pipelines to pump more Canadian oil to overseas customers?

A multi billion dollar wall that's logistically ridiculous, physically impossible in some places, ecologically problematic, and possibly ineffective. We need this?

Here's the thing about pipelines: If we don't build and maintain them (which sometimes means replacing aging ones when standards improve), we end up transporting oil by rail or highway.

And the trains and trucks have to cross all the same rivers and watersheds, and are a lot more prone to failure (read: crashes). Trucks are abysmal in comparison, and trains trade a marginal reduction in overall quantity spilled (more, smaller spills than pipelines) for a dramatic increase in danger to humans by virtue of requiring humans nearby at all times (engineers) and the railway system, by design, passing through populated areas.

I just can't wait until we make one to keep all the damned Canadians out.

Screeling wrote:

I just can't wait until we make one to keep all the damned Canadians out.

If you ask the average Canadian these days, I think you'll find they would view a northern wall the other way around....

RangerDave wrote:

Screeling wrote:

I just can't wait until we make one to keep all the damned Canadians out.

If you ask the average Canadian these days, I think you'll find they would view a northern wall the other way around....

A northern wall for Canada to keep out the Whitewalkers?

Screeling wrote:

RangerDave wrote:

Screeling wrote:

I just can't wait until we make one to keep all the damned Canadians out.

If you ask the average Canadian these days, I think you'll find they would view a northern wall the other way around....

A northern wall for Canada to keep out the Whitewalkers?

Nah, a southern wall to keep out all the annoying celebrities self-righteously fleeing Trump.

From now on, Canada is off limits. Anybody who wants to leave in protest of the president has to go to Mexico.

That's between Canada and Mexico.

Corolinth wrote:

From now on, Canada is off limits. Anybody who wants to leave in protest of the president has to go to Mexico.

That should be a requirement to prove they're not racist.

Screeling wrote:

Corolinth wrote:

From now on, Canada is off limits. Anybody who wants to leave in protest of the president has to go to Mexico.

That should be a requirement to prove they're not racist.

Screw that. If racists want to leave, let them leave. What do we care which country they go to?

Screeling wrote:

I just can't wait until we make one to keep all the damned Canadians out.

If you ask the average Canadian these days, I think you'll find they would view a northern wall the other way around....

Just so we're clear: That rule stands for the next time a Democrat wins the presidency, too.

Judging by Trumps current shenanigans, that might be pretty soon.

Author:	Müs [ Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:18 am ]
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We really need either of these things? Pipelines to pump more Canadian oil to overseas customers? A multi billion dollar wall that's logistically ridiculous, physically impossible in some places, ecologically problematic, and possibly ineffective. We need this?

Author:	Aethien [ Thu Jan 26, 2017 1:28 am ]
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No, not "we", but, "he".

Author:	Taskiss [ Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:31 am ]
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Müs wrote: We really need either of these things? Pipelines to pump more Canadian oil to overseas customers? A multi billion dollar wall that's logistically ridiculous, physically impossible in some places, ecologically problematic, and possibly ineffective. We need this? The US has, arguably, gone to war over oil. It's critical to the future of the US and to the rest of the world. Today, there is no other safer, abundant and commercially available energy source that has as great an energy density as petroleum based fuels. Building an infrastructure and positioning ourselves as a supplier seems to make sense to me if you want to do the things Trump has promised he'd do, which is add jobs and strengthen US economically. Use the profits from that to fund development of clean and safe nuclear power sources. The border wall is not something I can justify except as an immediate, low tech job creation effort. I understand the problem - $24.6 billion is a great incentive for Mexico to either ignore or encourage illegal immigration, but I think it would be easier to follow the money and stop the flow from the source.

Author:	Kaffis Mark V [ Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:44 am ]
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Here's the thing about pipelines: If we don't build and maintain them (which sometimes means replacing aging ones when standards improve), we end up transporting oil by rail or highway. And the trains and trucks have to cross all the same rivers and watersheds, and are a lot more prone to failure (read: crashes). Trucks are abysmal in comparison, and trains trade a marginal reduction in overall quantity spilled (more, smaller spills than pipelines) for a dramatic increase in danger to humans by virtue of requiring humans nearby at all times (engineers) and the railway system, by design, passing through populated areas.

Author:	Diamondeye [ Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:02 am ]
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Kaffis Mark V wrote: Here's the thing about pipelines: If we don't build and maintain them (which sometimes means replacing aging ones when standards improve), we end up transporting oil by rail or highway. And the trains and trucks have to cross all the same rivers and watersheds, and are a lot more prone to failure (read: crashes). Trucks are abysmal in comparison, and trains trade a marginal reduction in overall quantity spilled (more, smaller spills than pipelines) for a dramatic increase in danger to humans by virtue of requiring humans nearby at all times (engineers) and the railway system, by design, passing through populated areas. This. The concerns over water and the environment are a smokescreen for the real issue - the Indians are mad that the pipeline doesn't actually cross their reservation. They want the fees associated with that, and were denied. That's why we keep hearing "water", not "land". Because the tribe objecting doesn't have the pipeline on its land. In reality, railway cars are much more likely to spill. I'm a huge fan of trains, but it is what it is. As for the wall, a wall channelizes alien and narcotic traffic and makes it easier to catch. By itself it isn't a solution. But the real objection to the wall is an objection to "poor 'brown' people from other countries might have to follow the law."

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Author:	Screeling [ Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:13 pm ]
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I just can't wait until we make one to keep all the damned Canadians out.

Author:	RangerDave [ Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:20 pm ]
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Screeling wrote: I just can't wait until we make one to keep all the damned Canadians out. If you ask the average Canadian these days, I think you'll find they would view a northern wall the other way around....

Author:	Screeling [ Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:56 pm ]
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RangerDave wrote: Screeling wrote: I just can't wait until we make one to keep all the damned Canadians out. If you ask the average Canadian these days, I think you'll find they would view a northern wall the other way around.... A northern wall for Canada to keep out the Whitewalkers?

Author:	Arathain Kelvar [ Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:59 am ]
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Pipelines are cheaper, more effective, and safer than trucking and rail for transport of oil. However, I think that's one of the big issues folks have. Once a pipeline's built, it costs almost nothing to keep it going - so all of the tar sands oil will be exploited. Folks want to stop fossil fuel use, so it's not about the spills, but making it more costly to drill out the oil. As far as safety goes, pipelines are the safest, except when they do leak. Then they are very bad. You can crash a lot of trucks before you make up a major pipeline leak. So maintenance and location are key.

Author:	Corolinth [ Fri Jan 27, 2017 11:27 am ]
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Kaffis Mark V wrote: Screeling wrote: RangerDave wrote: Screeling wrote: I just can't wait until we make one to keep all the damned Canadians out. If you ask the average Canadian these days, I think you'll find they would view a northern wall the other way around.... A northern wall for Canada to keep out the Whitewalkers? Nah, a southern wall to keep out all the annoying celebrities self-righteously fleeing Trump. Stop it. I got sick of people threatening to go to Canada after three elections of people throwing temper tantrums about their candidate losing. I'm pretty sure Canada's pretty **** tired of it, too. Those bastards lied. They're still here. I wish they had gone to Canada, because this country would be a much better place without them in it. Canadians are probably glad those people were too chickenshit to leave. From now on, Canada is off limits. Anybody who wants to leave in protest of the president has to go to Mexico.

Author:	Taskiss [ Fri Jan 27, 2017 11:41 am ]
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Corolinth wrote: From now on, Canada is off limits. Anybody who wants to leave in protest of the president has to go to Mexico. I love you man.

Author:	Screeling [ Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:02 pm ]
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Corolinth wrote: From now on, Canada is off limits. Anybody who wants to leave in protest of the president has to go to Mexico. That should be a requirement to prove they're not racist.

Author:	Corolinth [ Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:32 pm ]
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Just so we're clear: That rule stands for the next time a Democrat wins the presidency, too. Judging by Trumps current shenanigans, that might be pretty soon.

Author:	Talya [ Sat Jan 28, 2017 2:50 pm ]
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Corolinth wrote: From now on, Canada is off limits. Anybody who wants to leave in protest of the president has to go to Mexico. Can Canadians still go to Mexico in protest of the winter?

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Author:	Corolinth [ Sat Jan 28, 2017 3:01 pm ]
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That's between Canada and Mexico.

Author:	Talya [ Sat Jan 28, 2017 3:04 pm ]
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Corolinth wrote: That's between Canada and Mexico. Which describes the USA.

Author:	Midgen [ Sun Jan 29, 2017 12:36 am ]
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Screeling wrote: Corolinth wrote: From now on, Canada is off limits. Anybody who wants to leave in protest of the president has to go to Mexico. That should be a requirement to prove they're not racist. Screw that. If racists want to leave, let them leave. What do we care which country they go to?

Author:	Screeling [ Sun Jan 29, 2017 6:29 pm ]
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Midgen wrote: Screeling wrote: Corolinth wrote: From now on, Canada is off limits. Anybody who wants to leave in protest of the president has to go to Mexico. That should be a requirement to prove they're not racist. Screw that. If racists want to leave, let them leave. What do we care which country they go to? I don't think you got the joke. They all want to go to Canada because they hate Latinos and want to be around a mostly white people. You see, it's funnier when I explain it...

Author:	Diamondeye [ Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:13 am ]
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RangerDave wrote: Screeling wrote: I just can't wait until we make one to keep all the damned Canadians out. If you ask the average Canadian these days, I think you'll find they would view a northern wall the other way around.... That's true. They don't want to have to take care of all of the Mexicans themselves, just lecture us about it. I say Mexicans because Mexico is engaging in quite a bit of new "border security" of its own. Unmentioned in all of this is the real reason Mexico hates the wall - they'll be stuck with the Central Americans and other people that come through, because Mexico is still a decent place compared to most of those countries. We're helping fund that, by the way. Mexico is all too willing to take U.S. aid for it's wall* but not interested in helping with ours. *I say "wall" but I'm not certain to what degree its a wall and to what degree its other forms of border security.

Author:	Diamondeye [ Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:15 am ]
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Corolinth wrote: Just so we're clear: That rule stands for the next time a Democrat wins the presidency, too. Judging by Trumps current shenanigans, that might be pretty soon. Judging by Trump's shenanigans he wasn't going to win in the first place. The mood of the country is not what the press says it is. (It's not what FOX News says it is either, but they're closer to right than any other network. The WSJ seems to have the best grip on reality of the newspapers, since the NYT and WaPo have come completely unhinged.)