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I'm not sure how to respond to this.

Not, you understand, the activities of Congress, but your reactions to it.

I realize you are basically clueless, and I've known this for a long time, but it is always somewhat jarring to see it in living color, as it were.

I'm curious as to what information you think your providers are gathering on you, but only academically. I don't actually want you to put it in black and white, vomiting the ignorant cesspool that forms your worldly opinions onto my screen.

(Checking to make sure this is in Hellfire...okay, thank ghu)

Let me just reassure you of something. Your activities are trite, uninteresting, and completely without value.

ROFL at the dude that was bought for $300.

They're all **** whores.

except of course to marketers. There is big money in targeted advertising. Ask Google.

Google doesn't know jack **** about me to sell. Oh, they know my (variable) IP address. They know my search history, stuff about one of my email addresses, sure. but they don't have a **** clue who I am in order to associate that information. They have no credit cards. They have no addresses. I can get all of google's services without providing them with any of that. Everything they have is "meta." Google cannot positively identify my digital footprint with me in the physical world.

An ISP I'm paying for has my credit card, billing address, and all sorts of info that verifies who I actually am.

The rules, which had not yet gone into effect, would have required Internet service providers to get your permission before collecting and sharing your data. The providers have data on your web browsing history, app usage and geo-location.

It seems the rules hadn't yet gone into effect yet anyhow.

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So in other words, this won't start anything new, it will just stop a restriction from going into effect.

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So in other words, this won't start anything new, it will just stop a restriction from going into effect.

Diamondeye wrote:

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So in other words, this won't start anything new, it will just stop a restriction from going into effect.

Not sure I understand. My understanding from this is I had the option of saying "no, you can't use it." Now it's saying I don't have that option. I admit I might be misunderstanding, so how is that not new?

For those who think this is no big deal, you know who the biggest customer of your legal personal information is likely to
be, yes? Government overreach is continuing.

So **** what. You act as though the NSA doesn't exist. If the government wants something, all they have to do is pass a law to make it legal.

Kairtane wrote:

So **** what. You act as though the NSA doesn't exist. If the government wants something, all they have to do is pass a law to make it legal.

This is rather ignorant. The NSA is who I'm referring to, here. They already had your info, but they can't legally use it without a court order. Now they can go buy your info they already have and suddenly not have to get the court order to use it...

That just makes me glad I've always been in Canada.

For those who think this is no big deal, you know who the biggest customer of your legal personal information is likely to
be, yes? Government overreach is continuing.

The government can use NSA-collected information for almost anything without a court order - except use it against you in a criminal prosecution. If the government wants information from an ISP for that reason, they're going to subpoena it, not buy it.

Author:	Talya [ Thu Mar 30, 2017 11:55 am ]
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I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this here. Seriously, forget "Trumpcare." Forget "the wall." Forget which shitholes Trump doesn't want to allow refugees in from. None of that affects any of you as drastically as this debacle affects ALL of you living in America who ever post here. The Republican party just voted to allow filthy telecom/cable companies to sell your internet history and accompanying personal data, without your permission, and without even letting you know they're doing it. The Trump administration is expected to rubberstamp it as "they strongly support" this move. You are all Internet users. Any privacy you once had has just gone out the window. This administration appears to have had a platform of "Bend over, consumers. We're ** you, and we're ** you hard. My corporate cronies need more money." I don't much like the left's political correctness, or victim politics demagoguery, no more than I like the evangelical right's utter lack of any rational sense whatsoever. But this... this just makes me very glad I'm in Canada. Y'all need to invest in VPN services.

Author:	Müs [ Thu Mar 30, 2017 11:56 am ]
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Author:	Talya [ Thu Mar 30, 2017 11:59 am ]
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Author:	Müs [ Thu Mar 30, 2017 12:12 pm ]
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Author:	FarSky [ Thu Mar 30, 2017 12:13 pm ]
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Yup. Names and details of the ones who voted here, along with how much money they've taken from ISPs: http://www.theverge.com/2017/3/29/15100 ... -fire-sale

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Author:	Müs [ Thu Mar 30, 2017 12:27 pm ]
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ROFL at the dude that was bought for $300. They're all **** whores.

Author:	Talya [ Thu Mar 30, 2017 12:38 pm ]
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This is the type of deal-breaker that would cause me to vote for someone with the opposite political views as I have, just because their opposition voted for bullshit like this.

Author:	TheRiov [ Thu Mar 30, 2017 1:04 pm ]
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Time to start my VPN service company, or at least invest in someone elses.

Author:	shuyung [ Thu Mar 30, 2017 1:18 pm ]
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I'm not sure how to respond to this. Not, you understand, the activities of Congress, but your reactions to it. I realize you are basically clueless, and I've known this for a long time, but it is always somewhat jarring to see it in living color, as it were. I'm curious as to what information you think your providers are gathering on you, but only academically. I don't actually want you to put it in black and white, vomiting the ignorant cesspool that forms your worldly opinions onto my screen. (Checking to make sure this is in Hellfire...okay, thank ghu) Let me just reassure you of something. Your activities are trite, uninteresting, and completely without value.

Author:	TheRiov [ Thu Mar 30, 2017 2:05 pm ]
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except of course to marketers. There is big money in targeted advertising. Ask Google.

Author:	Talya [ Thu Mar 30, 2017 2:11 pm ]
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http://privacypolicies.com/blog/isp-tracking-you/

Author:	Talya [ Thu Mar 30, 2017 2:23 pm ]
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As a side point, I've seen bad comparisons to Google, saying this puts ISPs on the same level playing field with companies like Google who can sell all your personal information. No it doesn't. Google doesn't know jack ** about me to sell. Oh, they know my (variable) IP address. They know my search history, stuff about one of my email addresses, sure. but they don't have a ** clue who I am in order to associate that information. They have no credit cards. They have no addresses. I can get all of google's services without providing them with any of that. Everything they have is "meta." Google cannot positively identify my digital footprint with me in the physical world. An ISP I'm paying for has my credit card, billing address, and all sorts of info that verifies who I actually am.

Author:	Diamondeye [ Thu Mar 30, 2017 2:31 pm ]
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shuyung wrote: I'm not sure how to respond to this. Not, you understand, the activities of Congress, but your reactions to it. I realize you are basically clueless, and I've known this for a long time, but it is always somewhat jarring to see it in living color, as it were. I'm curious as to what information you think your providers are gathering on you, but only academically. I don't actually want you to put it in black and white, vomiting the ignorant cesspool that forms your worldly opinions onto my screen. (Checking to make sure this is in Hellfire...okay, thank ghu) Let me just reassure you of something. Your activities are trite, uninteresting, and completely without value. I think I'll take this to the bank over the freakout. Müs wrote: ROFL at the dude that was bought for $300. They're all ** whores. Yes, I'm sure the logical conclusion from a $300 donation was "he was bought", not "this is a trivial donation that doesn't even enter into it." TheRiov wrote: except of course to marketers. There is big money in targeted advertising. Ask Google. So.. there will be advertising on the internet as a result of this. Talya wrote: Google doesn't know jack about me to sell. Oh, they know my (variable) IP address. They know my search history, stuff about one of my email addresses, sure. but they don't have a ** clue who I am in order to associate that information. They have no credit cards. They have no addresses. I can get all of google's services without providing them with any of that. Everything they have is "meta." Google cannot positively identify my digital footprint with me in the physical world. An ISP I'm paying for has my credit card, billing address, and all sorts of info that verifies who I actually am. So, you're telling me that Google can make a self-driving car work, but can't figure out who you are from your metadata? I wouldn't even be responding because I really don't know (yet), but I am pretty confident shuyung does know. It seems the rules hadn't yet gone into effect yet anyhow. Quote: The rules, which had not yet gone into effect, would have required Internet service providers to get your permission before collecting and sharing your data. The providers have data on your web browsing history, app usage and geo-location. So in other words, this won't start anything new, it will just stop a restriction from going into effect.

Author:	Kairtane [ Thu Mar 30, 2017 3:14 pm ]
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Diamondeye wrote: It seems the rules hadn't yet gone into effect yet anyhow. Quote: The rules, which had not yet gone into effect, would have required Internet service providers to get your permission before collecting and sharing your data. The providers have data on your web browsing history, app usage and geo-location. So in other words, this won't start anything new, it will just stop a restriction from going into effect. But the MSM says I should be outraged over this. Yeah, they could already collect your personal information. But, as Shyung says, they don't care.

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Author:	Screeling [ Thu Mar 30, 2017 3:42 pm ]
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Diamondeye wrote: Quote: The rules, which had not yet gone into effect, would have required Internet service providers to get your permission before collecting and sharing your data. The providers have data on your web browsing history, app usage and geo-location. So in other words, this won't start anything new, it will just stop a restriction from going into effect. Not sure I understand. My understanding from this is I had the option of saying "no, you can't use it." Now it's saying I don't have that option. I admit I might be misunderstanding, so how is that not new?

Author:	Diamondeye [ Thu Mar 30, 2017 4:14 pm ]
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Screeling wrote: Diamondeye wrote: Quote: The rules, which had not yet gone into effect, would have required Internet service providers to get your permission before collecting and sharing your data. The providers have data on your web browsing history, app usage and geo-location. So in other words, this won't start anything new, it will just stop a restriction from going into effect. Not sure I understand. My understanding from this is I had the option of saying "no, you can't use it." Now it's saying I don't have that option. I admit I might be misunderstanding, so how is that not new? The article says that the rules would have imposed the requirement for them to ask you, not that it presently exists. So in other words, had the restrictions taken effect, they would need to start asking you. Now, they... won't have to start, unless the CNN article is misleading. At any rate, they're private companies. Interesting how quick people are to want gummint in this case. I'd be more concerned about the information the government itself is collecting, since it's becoming more and more obvious the NSA and CIA just don't give a **** about the law at all.

Author:	Elmarnieh [ Thu Mar 30, 2017 5:49 pm ]
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Yes the FCC rule wouldn't have gone into effect until Jan 1 of 2018. So the companies didn't get released from anything binding. The same thing they could do last year or last 5 years or last 10 years they can do now and next year. People are only freaking out because the media pretends there was something stopping them from doing this. There isn't, never has been. THey can sell info to adservers to target ads to you - which is how they use this - which is how facebook and google use it to. (and less NSA crap than with FB and Google to boot).

Author:	Talya [ Fri Mar 31, 2017 3:25 pm ]
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That just makes me glad I've always been in Canada. http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/us-fc ... -1.4046512 For those who think this is no big deal, you know who the biggest customer of your legal personal information is likely to be, yes? Government overreach is continuing.

Author:	Kairtane [ Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:21 pm ]
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Talya wrote: For those who think this is no big deal, you know who the biggest customer of your legal personal information is likely to be, yes? Government overreach is continuing. So **** what. You act as though the NSA doesn't exist. If the government wants something, all they have to do is pass a law to make it legal.

Author:	Talya [ Fri Mar 31, 2017 6:06 pm ]
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Kairtane wrote: So **** what. You act as though the NSA doesn't exist. If the government wants something, all they have to do is pass a law to make it legal. This is rather ignorant. The NSA is who I'm referring to, here. They already had your info, but they can't legally use it without a court order. Now they can go buy your info they already have and suddenly not have to get the court order to use it...

Author:	Diamondeye [ Fri Mar 31, 2017 6:30 pm ]
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Talya wrote: Kairtane wrote: So **** what. You act as though the NSA doesn't exist. If the government wants something, all they have to do is pass a law to make it legal. This is rather ignorant. The NSA is who I'm referring to, here. They already had your info, but they can't legally use it without a court order. Now they can go buy your info they already have and suddenly not have to get the court order to use it... They can already do that, and they don't. Assuming bought data would be admissible, which is a tall assumption, these rules don't exist yet. Yet the government is not in the habit of purchasing data. It is not "government overreach" for the government to not regulate something. The NSA has a budget; why pay to purchase what they can get themselves?

Author:	Screeling [ Fri Mar 31, 2017 8:04 pm ]
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Talya wrote: That just makes me glad I've always been in Canada. Trust me... we're all glad too. We have more than our fair share of (ahem) witches.

Author:	Kairtane [ Sat Apr 01, 2017 11:38 am ]
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Talya wrote: For those who think this is no big deal, you know who the biggest customer of your legal personal information is likely to be, yes? Government overreach is continuing. Government overreach is not continuing, it's been going on a long time and anyone who EVER thought their privacy wasn't available to the government is a fool. I've been using the internet since 1993, I'm pretty confident the government knows everything I've done for almost 25 years. It's something you either accept, or you use card catalogs to gather information and use stamps to communicate over distances. Talya wrote: This is rather ignorant. The NSA is who I'm referring to, here. They already had your info, but they can't legally use it without a court order. Now they can go buy your info they already have and suddenly not have to get the court order to use it... Your first post made my point for me. Why would anyone buy something they already have? And anyone who thinks that information isn't available without a court order obviously never heard of Edward Snowden.

Author:	Diamondeye [ Sat Apr 01, 2017 12:44 pm ]
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The government can use NSA-collected information for almost anything without a court order - except use it against you in a criminal prosecution. If the government wants information from an ISP for that reason, they're going to subpoena it, not buy it.

Author:	Talya [ Sat Apr 01, 2017 1:24 pm ]
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Diamondeye wrote: The government can use NSA-collected information for almost anything without a court order - except use it against you in a criminal prosecution. If the government wants information from an ISP for that reason, they're going to subpoena it, not buy it. Once it's public information, rather than protected/private information, there's no more need for a subpoena. That's my point. They need a subpoena if you have an expectation of privacy. If you don't, it makes their information usable even in a criminal prosecution. By ensuring companies have no obligation to keep their customer's information private, that information becomes fair game in every single respect, without needing a judge to agree with you.