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Author:  Arathain Kelvar [ Mon Dec 21, 2009 12:47 pm ]
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Scheduled for Christmas Eve. They are desperate to keep us from paying attention to what they are doing.

Assholes.

Author:  Müs [ Mon Dec 21, 2009 12:57 pm ]
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Really?

Aren't they on December Vacation or something?

Author:  Monte [ Mon Dec 21, 2009 1:18 pm ]
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Boy, that's shifty. Put the biggest vote of the year on one of the biggest nights of the year. People are sure to ignore it! Insidiously clever, these Democrats!

Anyone catch Colburn doing the Classy Chritian act by implying via prayer that, in not so many words, god might stop Robert Byrd from making it to the vote? Yeah. Claaaasy and very Jesus-esque. Family values, those republicans. Family values.

Author:  Beryllin [ Mon Dec 21, 2009 1:27 pm ]
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The problem is, even if the Dems pay a heavy price for this in 2010, I fear we'll still be stuck with it. I don't really trust the Republicans to repeal it. I suspect they'll tweak it and call it good, when it won't be anything resembling good.

Author:  Beryllin [ Mon Dec 21, 2009 1:32 pm ]
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Monte wrote:
Anyone catch Colburn doing the Classy Chritian act by implying via prayer that, in not so many words, god might stop Robert Byrd from making it to the vote? Yeah. Claaaasy and very Jesus-esque. Family values, those republicans. Family values.


King David, in his Psalms, asked God to bring judgment upon his enemies. So, even though Coburn has explained what he meant, it's kinda a big "meh". Just something else for the left (who really haven't seemed to show much outrage over the comments of Reid) to cry about.

Author:  Müs [ Mon Dec 21, 2009 1:43 pm ]
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Monte wrote:
Boy, that's shifty. Put the biggest vote of the year on one of the biggest nights of the year. People are sure to ignore it! Insidiously clever, these Democrats!


Um... its Xmas eve. You really think people are going to be watching CNN on the 24th?

Really?

Ok Boys and Girls, you have to go to bed early now, or Santa won't bring you universal health care... When you wake up, everything will be all better.

Maybe Congress will be up till 3am putting the metaphorical wheels on the bicycle and erecting the broken swingset in the backyard that'll collapse with the slightest wind. Hm, what were these three bolts for again? Ah well, off to the bedroom with mom for some sweet christmas lovins.

I call Bullshit. Although, that's probably a pretty apt metaphor. Shitty gifts that noone really wants, are apt to break and cause pain to the recipients, while they run off and have sex.

Scary really when you think about it.

Author:  Khross [ Mon Dec 21, 2009 1:51 pm ]
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Monte wrote:
Boy, that's shifty. Put the biggest vote of the year on one of the biggest nights of the year. People are sure to ignore it! Insidiously clever, these Democrats!
People will ignore it, because they have more important things to do than worry about the political machinations of the U.S. Senate. The best part is that, like last night's vote, not every Senator will be in attendance, which changes the majorities needed to bring cloture. Of course, it speaks volumes that the Democrats feel its more important to ram through legislation the American people don't want, have voiced concerns over, and which is suppressed from public review instead of spending time with their families. I guess some things are more important than the kids.
Monte wrote:
Anyone catch Colburn doing the Classy Chritian act by implying via prayer that, in not so many words, god might stop Robert Byrd from making it to the vote? Yeah. Claaaasy and very Jesus-esque. Family values, those republicans. Family values.
Since Stephen Colbert is comedian and satirist intensely critical of both parties, perhaps you should stop trying to make his comedy a reality.

Author:  DFK! [ Mon Dec 21, 2009 2:08 pm ]
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Khross wrote:
Monte wrote:
Boy, that's shifty. Put the biggest vote of the year on one of the biggest nights of the year. People are sure to ignore it! Insidiously clever, these Democrats!
People will ignore it, because they have more important things to do than worry about the political machinations of the U.S. Senate. The best part is that, like last night's vote, not every Senator will be in attendance, which changes the majorities needed to bring cloture. Of course, it speaks volumes that the Democrats feel its more important to ram through legislation the American people don't want, have voiced concerns over, and which is suppressed from public review instead of spending time with their families. I guess some things are more important than the kids.



Isn't this pretty much how they passed the laws that created the Fed and the Income tax?

Author:  Beryllin [ Mon Dec 21, 2009 2:28 pm ]
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Khross wrote:
Monte wrote:
Anyone catch Colburn doing the Classy Chritian act by implying via prayer that, in not so many words, god might stop Robert Byrd from making it to the vote? Yeah. Claaaasy and very Jesus-esque. Family values, those republicans. Family values.
Since Stephen Colbert is comedian and satirist intensely critical of both parties, perhaps you should stop trying to make his comedy a reality.


Guessing you're being sarcastic, Khross, though my meter is on the fritz, but the reference is likely to Sen. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma.

Author:  Screeling [ Mon Dec 21, 2009 3:21 pm ]
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If Whorehouse Harry Reid is to believed, the 1am vote is all the filthy Republicans' fault. Of course he's full of crap.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opini ... 81687.html

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Who's responsible for the Senate's middle-of-the-night vote?

Why did the Senate gather at 1 a.m. Monday for a vote to move ahead on the Reid Amendment to the Democrats' national health care bill? Democrats blame Republicans. "Everyone knows we're here at one in the morning because of my friends on the other side of the aisle," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said moments before the vote. On CBS Sunday, Democratic Sen. Mary Landrieu said, "We don't have to vote in the middle of the night, but [Republican Sen. Tom Coburn] is the one making us do it -- not Harry Reid, not the Democrats. It is a Republican obstructionist that is making us vote in the middle of the night."

Coburn has no doubt slowed debate on the bill. But the fact is, there is no reason the Reid Amendment vote could not have been held at a more reasonable hour. One a.m. Monday was the earliest moment that Senate rules allowed a vote, but there is no rule keeping the Senate from voting at some time after 1 a.m. If Reid had scheduled the vote for, say, 11 a.m. Monday, that would have been fine. If he scheduled it for 4 p.m. Monday, or 10 a.m. Tuesday, that would have been fine, too.

But Reid is determined to pass the national health care bill by Christmas, and to do so he has to get the cloture vote on his amendment done at the earliest moment. The timeline is Reid's and Reid's alone. "The bottom line is, Sen. Reid schedules the floor," says one well-connected GOP aide. "He is the only one who can schedule the floor." If Reid had scheduled the vote during business hours on, say, Tuesday, a final vote would not have taken place until the day after Christmas -- an outcome Reid apparently found unacceptable.

This is how it works. Reid introduced his amendment Saturday morning. (It's the one that has the Sen. Ben Nelson Medicaid buy-off and other curious features.) Senate rules say there has to be an intervening day between the introduction of the amendment and a vote on limiting debate on the amendment. That intervening day was Sunday. That meant the cloture vote could be held Monday, or any time thereafter. The rules also say that the vote has to be held at least one hour after that next day has begun. So the Senate's Monday business began at 12:01 a.m., and the Reid Amendment vote could be held at 1:01 a.m. (As it happened, Reid himself spoke last, and his remarks went over the mark by six minutes.)

After the middle-of-the-night vote, there will be a maximum of 30 hours debate on the amendment. Then there will be a 30-hour period for a Republican substitute bill, followed by a 30-hour period on the final bill. Reid's schedule calls for a final, final vote on the health care measure to take place at about 7 p.m. on Christmas Eve. Voila! The bill will be passed by Christmas. That couldn't be done unless the Reid Amendment cloture vote were held in the earliest hours of Monday morning, setting off the final chain of votes and waiting periods. "This is purely to satisfy a self-imposed, arbitrary deadline," says the GOP aide.

By the way, when the 1 a.m. vote took place, the Reid Amendment had been public for about 36 hours, and the public had not had a single business day to examine it. "Make no mistake," said Minority Leader Mitch McConnell a few minutes before the vote. "If the people who wrote this bill were proud of it, they wouldn't be forcing this vote in the dead of night." Referring to the Nelson buy-off and other special arrangements in the bill, McConnell said few people would have imagined that the health care debate would have ended "with a couple of cheap deals and a rushed vote at one o'clock in the morning."

But that's what happened. In the end, to no one's surprise, the Reid Amendment moved ahead, 60-40, on a straight party-line vote. Democrats can blame Sen. Coburn and Republicans all they like, but the fact is, there is no reason, beyond the Christmas deadline, that the vote had to take place at 1 a.m.


Edit: Bold added.

Author:  Aegnor [ Mon Dec 21, 2009 3:22 pm ]
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Its pretty funny that Democrats are trying to make Colburn's statement into some threat.

Author:  Müs [ Mon Dec 21, 2009 3:26 pm ]
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the Reid Amendment had been public for about 36 hours, and the public had not had a single business day to examine it.


So much for sunshine.

Author:  Elmarnieh [ Mon Dec 21, 2009 3:39 pm ]
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Its a new era of transparency. My what audacious hope for change!

Author:  Kaffis Mark V [ Mon Dec 21, 2009 4:16 pm ]
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Müs wrote:
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the Reid Amendment had been public for about 36 hours, and the public had not had a single business day to examine it.


So much for sunshine.

What? Sunday has sun!

And yet, Sarah Palin is apparently the biggest liar of the year.

Author:  Rorinthas [ Mon Dec 21, 2009 4:58 pm ]
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I give up. I'm tired. let them do what they want.

Author:  Khross [ Mon Dec 21, 2009 6:31 pm ]
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That 1:00 AM Vote was billed to the public and media as a test vote with no bearing on the actual outcome of the bill. It was called a mock vote, in fact, on NPR. Funny how the facts show that Montegue supports people intent on circumventing the rules of the Senate to pass legislation he cannot substantiate as wanted.

Author:  Wwen [ Mon Dec 21, 2009 6:43 pm ]
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A book I read, which I can't recall the name of, by a fellow that covered politics in Washington described how they vote on important things in the midle of the night when no one is in attendance and vote on naming roads and bridges after dead celebrities during the day...

Author:  Diamondeye [ Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:44 pm ]
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I do take a certain amount of amusement though in the sorry bastards having to stay up all night.

Author:  Wwen [ Tue Dec 22, 2009 7:09 am ]
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I'm sure their limo drivers will have red eyes.

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