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Police shot a Somali man wielding an ax and a knife after he broke into the home of an artist whose cartoon of the Prophet Muhammad with a bomb-shaped turban outraged the Muslim world, the head of Denmark's intelligence agency said Saturday.

I'm fairly sure shooting the axe-wielding man will also outrage part of the Islamic world. Clearly, Denmark is at fault for shooting someone's son, thereby outraging the family and making more terrorists.

I'm sorry, it's just infuriating. Islam is the one religion on this board that can be lambasted freely. If you dare say something about Christianity, or the concept of religion in general, people can't climb over themselves fast enough to get all indignant. But if the subject of conversation is Islam? Nothing but snide comments about "religion of peace". To hear people on this board talk, you'd think that every Islamic person in the world is a fully trained violent terrorist hell bent on destroying America.

It's intellectually lazy, it's bigoted, and it's sad. People here should know better. Or perhaps they shouldn't be so shocked when the same line of thinking is applied to their own faith identity.

I don't think Monte considers it a rational response to the offense. He also doesn't consider the murder of doctors who perform abortion a rational response to that offense. He is comparing the two as irrational responses. He is offended that when he criticizes fundamental conservative Christians who applaud the murder of such a doctor, he feels he gets attacked for 'attacking Christianity'.

He objects to people attacking all Islamics for the crimes of its insane members just as we would object to an attack on all Christians for the crmes of one crackpot Christian.

He actually has a fairly decent point, he just has problems controlling his rage well enough to make it.

Yes, I'm sure ALL artists mock ALL Christians.

Diamondeye wrote:

Hurray for small minded bigoted attacks on all of Islam. Remind me to do the same the next time some crazed conservative Christian rolls into a church and guns a doctor down in the name of the Lord.

Monte wrote:

Diamondeye wrote:

Hurray for small minded bigoted attacks on all of Islam. Remind me to do the same the next time some crazed conservative Christian rolls into a church and guns a doctor down in the name of the Lord.

*sigh* I doubt you'll need to be reminded.

Monte wrote:

Diamondeye wrote:

Hurray for small minded bigoted attacks on all of Islam. Remind me to do the same the next time some crazed conservative Christian rolls into a church and guns a doctor down in the name of the Lord.

*sigh* I doubt you'll need to be reminded.

I'm sorry, it's just infuriating. Islam is the one religion on this board that can be lambasted freely.

Author:	Uncle Fester [ Sat Jan 02, 2010 9:13 am ]
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,581746,00.html 'Cause mocking Islam will get a nut job with an axe after you. Quote: Police shot a Somali man wielding an ax and a knife after he broke into the home of an artist whose cartoon of the Prophet Muhammad with a bomb-shaped turban outraged the Muslim world, the head of Denmark's intelligence agency said Saturday.

Author:	Diamondeye [ Sat Jan 02, 2010 9:49 am ]
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I'm fairly sure shooting the axe-wielding man will also outrage part of the Islamic world. Clearly, Denmark is at fault for shooting someone's son, thereby outraging the family and making more terrorists.

Author:	Uncle Fester [ Sat Jan 02, 2010 11:02 am ]
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If only they would accept their secondary status and stop aggravating their muslim betters and join in the house of Submission, they will leave the house of war. See they only bring the violence on themselves.

Author:	Wwen [ Sat Jan 02, 2010 11:07 pm ]
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Yes, I'm sure ALL artists mock ALL Christians.

Author:	Monte [ Sun Jan 03, 2010 12:14 am ]
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Diamondeye wrote: I'm fairly sure shooting the axe-wielding man will also outrage part of the Islamic world. Clearly, Denmark is at fault for shooting someone's son, thereby outraging the family and making more terrorists. Hurray for small minded bigoted attacks on all of Islam. Remind me to do the same the next time some crazed conservative Christian rolls into a church and guns a doctor down in the name of the Lord.

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Author:	Micheal [ Sun Jan 03, 2010 12:29 am ]
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I was going to comment, but it would just be a vain effort to try to convince either of you of anything. Enjoy baiting each other.

Author:	Monte [ Sun Jan 03, 2010 12:34 am ]
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I'm sorry, it's just infuriating. Islam is the one religion on this board that can be lambasted freely. If you dare say something about Christianity, or the concept of religion in general, people can't climb over themselves fast enough to get all indignant. But if the subject of conversation is Islam? Nothing but snide comments about "religion of peace". To hear people on this board talk, you'd think that every Islamic person in the world is a fully trained violent terrorist hell bent on destroying America. It's intellectually lazy, it's bigoted, and it's sad. People here should know better. Or perhaps they shouldn't be so shocked when the same line of thinking is applied to their own faith identity.

Author:	Micheal [ Sun Jan 03, 2010 12:50 am ]
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Is anybody on this board of Islam? I've often wondered if Khross is or was, but I don't know either way. I'm not saying it is right to knock Islam as fiercely as is done here and many other places, I'm just inferring you hit no one where they kneel when you attack Islam on this board. It tends to be low class behavior, but we aren't all that politically correct here and some take their religious beliefs very seriously, as is their right. It is just watching you and DE bait each other with the same old tired material, and you both respond ready to head down to the pits and tear each other apart. Show me something new, make your arguments with more documentation, which is one of the major complaints lots of us have about you Monte. You frequently don't back up what you say with credible sources, so the folks that do provide credible documentation for their arguments are believed and you aren't. Unfortunately, both sides will bash their opponents documentation in an attempt to discredit it. Bringing it on from sources hard to refute is important.

Author:	Müs [ Sun Jan 03, 2010 1:45 am ]
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Its a guy that's going to murder a dude over a freaking cartoon. A CARTOON. And you think that's a rational response?

Author:	Micheal [ Sun Jan 03, 2010 3:10 am ]
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I don't think Monte considers it a rational response to the offense. He also doesn't consider the murder of doctors who perform abortion a rational response to that offense. He is comparing the two as irrational responses. He is offended that when he criticizes fundamental conservative Christians who applaud the murder of such a doctor, he feels he gets attacked for 'attacking Christianity'. He objects to people attacking all Islamics for the crimes of its insane members just as we would object to an attack on all Christians for the crmes of one crackpot Christian. He actually has a fairly decent point, he just has problems controlling his rage well enough to make it.

Author:	Diamondeye [ Sun Jan 03, 2010 8:31 am ]
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Monte wrote: I'm sorry, it's just infuriating. Islam is the one religion on this board that can be lambasted freely. If you dare say something about Christianity, or the concept of religion in general, people can't climb over themselves fast enough to get all indignant. But if the subject of conversation is Islam? Nothing but snide comments about "religion of peace". To hear people on this board talk, you'd think that every Islamic person in the world is a fully trained violent terrorist hell bent on destroying America. It's intellectually lazy, it's bigoted, and it's sad. People here should know better. Or perhaps they shouldn't be so shocked when the same line of thinking is applied to their own faith identity. This is possibly the biggest load of horseshit ever posted on any incarnation of the Glade. Any time anything remotely negative about muslims gets posted it's like a race to see who can be the first person to post "But Christianity <insert cricticism here>". The reason people defend Christianity here is because so many of the cricitcisms that get people "indignant" haven't even the most remote basis in fact, and because so many of them are simply potshots from the "hey, look at me, I can make smart remarks about Christianity" crowd. Never mind the fact that the post isn't about Islam, it's about Muslims, a certain type of muslim in particular. In fact, this post is a perfect example. Cricticism of muslims? No problem, here's a quick post complaining that Islam is being cricticized, and trying to shift the topic to Christianity. After all, it's far more important to keep all the negativity focused on a religion that's right close to home and annoys us by having the gall to have people continue to believe in it, as opposed to one that isn't as prevelant where most of us live. I have news for you Monty. Just because a cricticism is valid for Muslims does not make it valid for Christians. Just because one is valid for Christians does not make it valid for Hindus, which in turn cricticisms of are not necessarily valid for <so on and so forth>. All religions are not the same, and they do not lead people down the same lines of thinking. Islam and Chrisitanity have fundamentally different ideas about the nature of God and what He wants, and they lead to different doctrines and behaviors. Obviously they have areas of similarity, since they share a common ancestry, but the fact of the matter is that they are only "the same" to people who don't believe in either and think that's a reason to get all up in arms at the idea that one or the other might be approached differently in different contexts. Quote: I don't think Monte considers it a rational response to the offense. He also doesn't consider the murder of doctors who perform abortion a rational response to that offense. He is comparing the two as irrational responses. He is offended that when he criticizes fundamental conservative Christians who applaud the murder of such a doctor, he feels he gets attacked for 'attacking Christianity'. He objects to people attacking all Islamics for the crimes of its insane members just as we would object to an attack on all Christians for the crmes of one crackpot Christian. He actually has a fairly decent point, he just has problems controlling his rage well enough to make it. The problem being that when he does try to cricticize such a person, he does then end up trying to extend that cricticism to all of Christianity, or all Republicans or conservatives or whatever. Furthermore, we have frequently heard from him that whenever we do something to respond to the violent or insane muslims, we end up creating more terrorists. Where does he think they come from? They don't spring fully formed from the ground; no, they come from the rest of Islam. We also know that these violent members continue to arrive in numbers and condct attacks heavily in Afghanistan and Pakistan, and that they must come from somewhere, and be housed, fed, clothed, and hidden by people, and that someone must continue to indoctrinate them. This is not the same as taking one solitary individual or even one small group that has no meaningful material or even moral support for their methods and tarring entire groups on it. While it may be unfair to say "every muslims is a terrorist because there are many muslim terrorists and because many more mulsims support them", it is also even more unfair to A) treat it as some outrage that muslims are being cricticized just because those doing it are not meeting his personal standards for adequate cricticism of Christians B) shift the topic to Christianity as a result fo that outrage and C) pretend that any cricticism of any religious group other than Christians requires an equal amount of crictisim of Christians in order to avoid hypocrisy absed on his own invented standard that all religions are alike.

Author:	Beryllin [ Sun Jan 03, 2010 8:46 am ]
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I suspect you'd have a hard time finding conservative Christians who would applaud the killing of an abortion Dr. But let's suppose there are. Would it be too much to ask that Montegue give specific names or instances of such approval, and then he can ask whether we Christians on this board agree?

Author:	Uncle Fester [ Sun Jan 03, 2010 9:14 am ]
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Wwen wrote: Yes, I'm sure ALL artists mock ALL Christians. I never did say ALL, but lets try and find the number of anti christian (hell lets be specific anti Jesus) pieces or art and satire, political cartoons vs those mocking Mohamed. Edit Wow I never expected monty to jump for the bait this hard

Author:	FarSky [ Sun Jan 03, 2010 9:43 am ]
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Monte wrote: Diamondeye wrote: I'm fairly sure shooting the axe-wielding man will also outrage part of the Islamic world. Clearly, Denmark is at fault for shooting someone's son, thereby outraging the family and making more terrorists. Hurray for small minded bigoted attacks on all of Islam. Remind me to do the same the next time some crazed conservative Christian rolls into a church and guns a doctor down in the name of the Lord. sigh I doubt you'll need to be reminded.

Author:	Talya [ Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:54 pm ]
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Billy Connolly on extremist Islam (Language NSFW): [youtube]mdNqUW5wwTE[/youtube]

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Author:	Diamondeye [ Sun Jan 03, 2010 1:21 pm ]
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FarSky wrote: Monte wrote: Diamondeye wrote: I'm fairly sure shooting the axe-wielding man will also outrage part of the Islamic world. Clearly, Denmark is at fault for shooting someone's son, thereby outraging the family and making more terrorists. Hurray for small minded bigoted attacks on all of Islam. Remind me to do the same the next time some crazed conservative Christian rolls into a church and guns a doctor down in the name of the Lord. sigh I doubt you'll need to be reminded. Probably not. After all, if you can turn an opponent's cricticism of part of a certain group of people into a cricticism of all members of that group and their belief so shamelessly, it ought to be even easier to generalize the actions of just one person to the entire group. But then, I seem to recall considerable allegations at the last abortion doctor murder that the man was somehow doing so at the behest of some unsubstantiated larger group or other. Despite repeated requests for a demonstrable connection to be shown, all we ever saw was "guilt by association".

Author:	Rafael [ Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:58 pm ]
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FarSky wrote: Monte wrote: Diamondeye wrote: I'm fairly sure shooting the axe-wielding man will also outrage part of the Islamic world. Clearly, Denmark is at fault for shooting someone's son, thereby outraging the family and making more terrorists. Hurray for small minded bigoted attacks on all of Islam. Remind me to do the same the next time some crazed conservative Christian rolls into a church and guns a doctor down in the name of the Lord. sigh I doubt you'll need to be reminded. That's pretty cheap.

Author:	Arathain Kelvar [ Sun Jan 10, 2010 11:07 am ]
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Monte wrote: I'm sorry, it's just infuriating. Islam is the one religion on this board that can be lambasted freely. Only because it's anonymous internet postings. If we had to do this for real, we wouldn't. Because we would be bombed or attacked with an axe.