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| Author: | Corolinth [ Fri Jan 08, 2010 11:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | The fallacy of fallacy |
All arguments, regardless of their veracity, are rendered invalid by the numerous fallacies we learn about in College Comp II. |
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| Author: | Talya [ Fri Jan 08, 2010 11:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The fallacy of fallacy |
Corolinth wrote: All arguments, regardless of their veracity, are rendered invalid by the numerous fallacies we learn about in College Comp II. Appeal to authority. |
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| Author: | Micheal [ Fri Jan 08, 2010 11:27 am ] |
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You failed. |
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| Author: | DFK! [ Fri Jan 08, 2010 11:28 am ] |
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Your mistake is presuming they're taught in College Comp II. |
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| Author: | Corolinth [ Fri Jan 08, 2010 11:30 am ] |
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If they weren't, then someone didn't learn the required general education topics for their Bachelor's degree. |
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| Author: | Ladas [ Fri Jan 08, 2010 11:37 am ] |
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I didn't have to take any such class... as a matter of fact, the only class that would come close to that in curriculum was English Literature of the 20th Century, and that was an elective class. |
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| Author: | Rafael [ Fri Jan 08, 2010 11:47 am ] |
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Same, my GenEd requirements consisted of: English 020, Micro or Macro economics, History (1776-Reconstruction (well, 1877), Post 1877, "Modern Western History", or Political Science), a Literature elective, a History course that required the other history course as a pre-req (I took Modern East Asian History), A communications (the speech class where I was high and had to give a speech :/), and a general humanities elective (I selected Intermediate Micro-economics). To tell the truth, Speech was useless, a joke and a waste of money, so was English 020 which really amounted to a worthless literature class. Here's our advising tree: http://campus.mst.edu/maeem/programs/ad ... etree.html |
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| Author: | DFK! [ Fri Jan 08, 2010 11:55 am ] |
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Corolinth wrote: If they weren't, then someone didn't learn the required general education topics for their Bachelor's degree. I just find it interesting that apparently your English Comp course, which at every other college are remedial writing courses for what students were supposed to learn in high school, is apparently teaching what I consider intro Philosophy material. |
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| Author: | Khross [ Fri Jan 08, 2010 12:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The fallacy of fallacy |
English 101 (Composition 1) teaches basic verbal argumentation and writing forms. It deals with organization, thematic unity, and other such fundamental issues of writing. English 102 (Composition 2) teaches more advanced writing forms and structures, including elementary logic. Philosophy 101 is Introduction to Western Philosophy. Philosophy 102 is Logic and Rhetoric. All 4 of those classes are required core curriculum at my university. We also require 3 Literature Classes (1 British, 1 American, 1 World) and 2 other philosophy courses. |
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| Author: | Müs [ Fri Jan 08, 2010 12:41 pm ] |
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You all just lost the game. |
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| Author: | Elmarnieh [ Fri Jan 08, 2010 12:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The fallacy of fallacy |
Khross wrote: English 101 (Composition 1) teaches basic verbal argumentation and writing forms. It deals with organization, thematic unity, and other such fundamental issues of writing. English 102 (Composition 2) teaches more advanced writing forms and structures, including elementary logic. Philosophy 101 is Introduction to Western Philosophy. Philosophy 102 is Logic and Rhetoric. All 4 of those classes are required core curriculum at my university. We also require 3 Literature Classes (1 British, 1 American, 1 World) and 2 other philosophy courses. Remind me to never attend your uni then. |
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| Author: | Monte [ Fri Jan 08, 2010 12:57 pm ] |
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Sounds appealing as hell to me. |
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| Author: | Corolinth [ Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:01 pm ] |
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It sounds fairly standard for a Bachelor of Arts. |
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| Author: | shuyung [ Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:02 pm ] |
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Monte wrote: Sounds appealing as hell to me. Really? Why haven't you made any effort to learn those subjects on your own, then? |
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| Author: | Khross [ Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The fallacy of fallacy |
Our Basic Curriculum is ... Core: 9 Hours of Math (If you CLEP or AP out of Calculus 1, you still need 9 Classroom Hours of Math, so you end up with Calc 2, Calc 3, and one other (usually Differential Equations)) 12 Hours of Science (9 in a single discipline, one class over 300/3000 Level) 4 Hours of Science Labs (in the same discipline as your 9) 6 Hours of Rhetoric and Composition (English 101 and 102) 9 Hours of Literature (American, British, and World) 9 Hours of Political Science 9 Hours of History 3 Hours of Speech and Communication 6 Hours of Economics 12 Hours of Philosophy (Intro, Logic and Rhetoric, 2 Elective) 12 Hours in a Single Language (3 Hours above 300/3000) plus a Language Competency Exam 21 Hours in a Single Discipline above 300/3000 (6 Hours required above 400/4000 Level) Then you have your Major: 36 Hours Mandatory to Major (21 Hours must be above 400/4000 Level) 15 Hours of Electives in Major Field of Study (9 Hours must be above 400/4000 Level) |
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| Author: | Rafael [ Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Re: |
163 hours ... really? shuyung wrote: Monte wrote: Sounds appealing as hell to me. Really? Why haven't you made any effort to learn those subjects on your own, then? Also, I'm going to have to go with, IN HIS FACE! |
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| Author: | DFK! [ Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:12 pm ] |
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That's 154 hours combined. That's 20-30 more than the average BA. |
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| Author: | Vindicarre [ Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The fallacy of fallacy |
Talya wrote: Corolinth wrote: All arguments, regardless of their veracity, are rendered invalid by the numerous fallacies we learn about in College Comp II. Appeal to authority. Not unless your definition of authority differs from the rest of ours. |
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| Author: | Khross [ Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The fallacy of fallacy |
Rafael: Basically, we've shifted in the last decade to providing an honest liberal arts degree. Most 4 year institutions provide a 120-122 hour degree that doesn't produce a job or graduate school ready student. |
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| Author: | Xequecal [ Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The fallacy of fallacy |
Khross wrote: Rafael: Basically, we've shifted in the last decade to providing an honest liberal arts degree. Most 4 year institutions provide a 120-122 hour degree that doesn't produce a job or graduate school ready student. How many credits do you expect full-time students to take a semester? At 15 credits per semester that's a 5.5 year undergrad degree. |
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| Author: | Rafael [ Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:21 pm ] |
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I still get 163 credits adding it 3 times, for the total program. That's an average of 20-21 per semester if you want to get out in four years, which most students are restricted to since the majority of scholarship aid (both private and public) are assessed based on a four year program. I remember if you wanted to even take 19 hours or more, we were forced to get not only our advisor's signature, but two additional signatures from faculty in our department that could attest to your character as well as the signature of department Chair or his designee (Curators' professor for instance). If you didn't get his signature, you could appeal to the Vice Provost of Undergraduate studies. |
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| Author: | Khross [ Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The fallacy of fallacy |
Rafael: 41 hours per year over 3 semesters is 2 of 15 and 1 of 11 in the Summer. |
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| Author: | Rafael [ Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:34 pm ] |
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I'd say 2 or 3 summers will be removed for internships which are nearly required to pay your own way through school (even though I received some grants and lost of loans, I still needed the extra cash). |
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| Author: | Corolinth [ Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:36 pm ] |
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You went to Rolla, for a ME if I remember right. Chances are, you did a Bachelor of Science program. I'm not sure what the course outline is at Rolla, but the equivalent degree at Washington University is 139 credit hours. What I'm getting at here is that while Khross has posted what appears to be a rather intensive degree program, you may be underestimating just how many credit hours you took yourself. |
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| Author: | DFK! [ Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:45 pm ] |
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I had 140 with no minor, but I transferred in with 63 from high school. Without going summers (when I worked full-time jobs), that meant an average of 15.4 per semester plus extracurricular activities; which were a big (read: necessary) part of my major. That still allowed me to work part-time in addition. Students who take 12 a semester and do nothing else make me want to be violent. |
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