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The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.


So Nebraska is not included in the Health Care Bill currently tabled?

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It seems to me, they have all the privileges, they just don't have the burdens.

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What?

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Is Nebraska one of the weird "not technically a State" things, like the handful of Commonwealths?

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Should I say not included but exempted. Basically, that part of the Constitution says all states shall equally be afforded the priviledges afforded by Federal Government to the States (provided they aren't Unconstitutional in some other aspect which doesn't seem to matter, these days).

Thus, I find that it is Unconstitutional to allow one state to be exempt, but not every state.

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Why is Nebraska exempt? This is obviously referencing something I haven't seen.

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Why is Nebraska exempt? This is obviously referencing something I haven't seen.


Yea, I got Rafael's original "these people are exempt so we all should be" thing, just not why they're exempt.

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It was put in to buy legislative support from Nebraska.

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So... the people of Nebraska are not covered by the individual mandate?



Edit: Don't worry, it'll get pulled when they reconcile anyway, just like the public option will be put in.

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http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/59268

"The provision is known as the “Cornhusker Kickback,” because it gives Nebraska a permanent exemption from paying for Medicaid expenses that would be required of all the other states."

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1209/30815.html

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Ben Nelson’s “Cornhusker Kickback,” as the GOP is calling it, got all the attention Saturday, but other senators lined up for deals as Majority Leader Harry Reid corralled the last few votes for a health reform package.

Nelson’s might be the most blatant – a deal carved out for a single state, a permanent exemption from the state share of Medicaid expansion for Nebraska, meaning federal taxpayers have to kick in an additional $45 million in the first decade.

But another Democratic holdout, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), took credit for $10 billion in new funding for community health centers, while denying it was a “sweetheart deal.” He was clearly more enthusiastic about a bill he said he couldn’t support just three days ago.

Nelson and Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) carved out an exemption for non-profit insurers in their states from a hefty excise tax. Similar insurers in the other 48 states will pay the tax.

Vermont and Massachusetts were given additional Medicaid funding, another plus for Sanders and Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) Three states – Pennsylvania, New York and Florida – all won protections for their Medicare Advantage beneficiaries at a time when the program is facing cuts nationwide.

All of this came on top of a $300 million increase for Medicaid in Louisiana, designed to win the vote of Democratic Sen. Mary Landrieu.

Under pressure from the White House to get a deal done by Christmas, Reid was unapologetic. He argued that, by definition, legislating means deal making and defended the special treatment for Nelson’s home state of Nebraska.

“You’ll find a number of states that are treated differently than other states. That’s what legislating is all about. It's compromise," he said.

It was Nelson who proved that he who plays hardest to get, gets the most.

He forced Reid to redraft the bill’s restrictions on federal funding of abortion. And while most insiders were focused on that deal, Nelson was quietly ensuring that his state would never have to pay for the Medicaid expansion being written into the bill – an agreement that had been in the works for weeks.

Medicaid is usually paid for with a mix of federal and state funding, but Nelson's carve out means that any Medicaid beneficiaries who join the program under the bill will be fully paid for by the federal government.

It's an important deal considering that many governors are worried that the Medicaid expansion will further strain already stressed state budgets – and one that came after Nebraska Gov.Dave Heineman called on Nelson to vote against the bill.

"The State of Nebraska cannot afford an unfunded mandate and uncontrolled spending of this magnitude,” the governor wrote to Nelson.

Nelson deferred all questions on the provision to Reid, saying only that he was “comfortable” the deal took care of Nebraska.

But Nelson’s deal could be a pittance compared to where the Nebraska compromise might ultimately lead – to 49 other states demanding that the feds pick up their share of health reform’s new Medicaid burden when it kicks in during 2017.

"When you look at it, I thought well, God, good, it is going to be the impetus for all the states to stay at 100 percent [federal funding]. So he might have done all of us a favor," Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) said of Nelson’s dealings.

Nelson and Levin also pushed a provision that exempts non-profit insurers in Nebraska and Michigan from an annual multi-billion dollar excise tax on insurance companies.

Not surprisingly, both states are home to non-profit insurers who control a high-percentage of the industry’s profits. In Michigan, non-profit insurers control 76 percent of the industry’s profits – one of the highest percentages in the nation – while Nebraska non-profits control 46 percent of their state’s profits.

And in an example of how closely senators guarded details, Levin’s office did not answer any questions about the proposal when asked about it on Friday.

Republicans, meanwhile, expressed outrage at the wheeling and dealing, as if their party had never cut a legislative deal in its 150-year history.

“This bill is a monstrosity, a 2,100-page monstrosity full of special deals for people who are willing to vote for it,” said Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell. “And they’re playing these kind of games with the nation’s health care. This is an outrage.”

But Sanders didn’t sound outraged when he talked about the extra Medicaid funding Vermont will get for six years. Massachusetts, meanwhile, received three years worth of additional Medicaid funding. Under the original bill, neither state had qualified for the money.

Republican Sen. Mike Enzi accused Democratic leaders of favoring Medicare Advantage beneficiaries in Pennsylvania, New York and Florida at the expense of seniors in other parts of the country.

“The Democrats are playing ‘Let’s make a deal’ with trillions of your hard-earned tax dollars. You and all the American people should know that the majority leader is buying his votes with your money,” said Enzi (R-Wyo.) “The Reid bill gives sweetheart deals to a few states and the rest of the country will foot the bill. Making unfair deals like this is the wrong way to legislate and the American people know it.”

And while there were plenty of state-specific deals, some of the changes were clearly aimed at pleasing specific Democratic factions. For instance, tightened insurance regulations went a long way toward putting a smile on the faces of liberal senators who have lost their much-loved public option.

The amendment mandates that insurers spend no less than 80 percent of their premium revenues providing medical care. Currently, insurers spend about 70 percent of their premiums paying for health care. The bill also eliminates insurers’ ability to cap annual coverage amounts.

In brief remarks at the White House, President Barack Obama also highlighted some new provisions, including penalties for insurers who “arbitrarily jack up rates” and an immediate prohibition on insures’ ability to deny children coverage.

Obama, too, talked of the deals as just the cost of doing business in Washington.

“As with any legislation, compromise is part of the process,” Obama said. “But I'm pleased that recently added amendments have made this landmark bill even stronger.”

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Yea, that'd go away in reconciliation, I'm sure.

Anyway, I thought you meant the individual mandate wasn't forced on them. Now THAT would be a case. I don't see this going anywhere.

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I wouldn't put that past them. After all, the elite Liberal probably don't give a **** about people between the coasts ... well, they do enough to get their votes. After all, they're bunch of bible thumping, ass-backwards hoosiers anyway.

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****.

I want Nevada to put in that exact claus... Oh wait... Reid's spearheading this ****.

We're hosed.

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Whorehouse Harry Reid is a real piece of crap. How the heck does he get re-elected in Nevada?

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Whorehouse Harry Reid is a real piece of crap. How the heck does he get re-elected in Nevada?


Yucca Mountain.

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I wouldn't put that past them. After all, the elite Liberal probably don't give a **** about people between the coasts ... well, they do enough to get their votes. After all, they're bunch of bible thumping, ***-backwards hoosiers anyway.


What a jackass thing to say. I'm actually somewhat baffled at your intellectually lazy bigoted remark about liberals here. I mean, really - the old "Libruhl elitist" crap is seriously passe.

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Müs wrote:
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Whorehouse Harry Reid is a real piece of crap. How the heck does he get re-elected in Nevada?


Yucca Mountain.

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I don't think that applies if the State (through its representation) consents to the exclusion.

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Whorehouse Harry Reid is a real piece of crap. How the heck does he get re-elected in Nevada?


Yucca Mountain.

'Splain.


He (claims he) has the power to keep yucca mountain free of nuclear waste. That, and for no other real reason is why he's *still* in power. Terror.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yucca_Moun ... repository

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Monte wrote:
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I wouldn't put that past them. After all, the elite Liberal probably don't give a **** about people between the coasts ... well, they do enough to get their votes. After all, they're bunch of bible thumping, ***-backwards hoosiers anyway.


What a jackass thing to say. I'm actually somewhat baffled at your intellectually lazy bigoted remark about liberals here. I mean, really - the old "Libruhl elitist" crap is seriously passe.


Nope, it's a jackass thing to be:

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Talking about how the loss of jobs over 25 years has sapped the hope of small-town Pennsylvania residents, Obama said at the Sunday fund-raiser, "they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."


And the old typing like a Southerner/Texan would speak in some elitist's mind doesn't help your case much, since it's *really* passé, and doesn't do anything but show your own bigotry.

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Monte wrote:
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I wouldn't put that past them. After all, the elite Liberal probably don't give a **** about people between the coasts ... well, they do enough to get their votes. After all, they're bunch of bible thumping, ***-backwards hoosiers anyway.


What a jackass thing to say. I'm actually somewhat baffled at your intellectually lazy bigoted remark about liberals here. I mean, really - the old "Libruhl elitist" crap is seriously passe.


When there's no more blood on your spatula, please come back and point fingers. You even apologized when I called you on mocking DE on the other boards using some "Durn right, this is AMURIKUH!" stereotype to strawman and distort what was said.

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I wouldn't put that past them. After all, the elite Liberal probably don't give a **** about people between the coasts ... well, they do enough to get their votes. After all, they're bunch of bible thumping, ***-backwards hoosiers anyway.


What a jackass thing to say. I'm actually somewhat baffled at your intellectually lazy bigoted remark about liberals here. I mean, really - the old "Libruhl elitist" crap is seriously passe.


When there's no more blood on your spatula, please come back and point fingers. You even apologized when I called you on mocking DE on the other boards using some "Durn right, this is AMURIKUH!" stereotype to strawman and distort what was said.


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Governor Schwarzengger used the Cornhusker thing in his State of the State address today, asking the federal government to address the inequity of the return of taxes to the states. California is 43rd in the nation at 79 cents on the dollar. New Jersey is actually the lowest at 61 cents on the dollar.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/266.html

Nebraska apparently got a huge boost. As Arnie said in his speech, Nebraska got the corn, we got the husk.

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,582351,00.html

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Obama has defended the tax as a way to drive down health costs.

"I'm on record as saying that taxing Cadillac plans that don't make people healthier but just take more money out of their pockets because they're paying more for insurance than they need to, that's actually a good idea, and that helps bend the cost curve," the president said in an interview with National Public Radio just before Christmas. "That helps to reduce the cost of health care over the long term. I think that's a smart thing to do."


As some one who works hard and has made sacrifices for his great health plan, and loves that I can pretty much go anywhere and be covered. I would like to add from the deepest part of my heart... **** you! you dog **** eating, liberal **** thieves. I want everyone who supports this plan to be at the tender mercies of the government they try and foce on us. I have no doubt congress and kin will be exempt as much as the state of Nebraska."

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But Uncle Fester, don't worry, Obama will only raise taxes on "rich" people, so he'll veto this - he said so.

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